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Old 07-31-2011, 11:53 PM   #21
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I really want to avoid the LED control panel . We had a power surge and it fried the dishwasher & the microwave Led 's control panels .
You can get a whole house surge protector installed, by an electrician or a lightning rod company. These stop the surges at the entry point, since with appliances you are talking about loads to big for strips.
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You can get a whole house surge protector installed, by an electrician or a lightning rod company. These stop the surges at the entry point, since with appliances you are talking about loads to big for strips.
I have both a whole house and a local surge suppressor ahead of my Kenmore washer. CPU still failed.
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I have both a whole house and a local surge suppressor ahead of my Kenmore washer. CPU still failed.
Well that's not encouraging at all!

Our washer and dryer are ~22 year old Kenmores made by Whirlpool. No electronics at all, just electrical. They have survived lightning-induced power pulses with no problem. Not so the Microwave which I fixed myself, it's a built-in. And various and sundry little stuff that popped.

Old machines are last of the breed, any new replacement will have a $ controller board and be a pain to troubleshoot and fix. Our new refridge has a controller board, I have a good quality outlet strip suppressor mounted behind it, only about 600w max on defrost, less power on running, so I could do that. Hopefully good enough...
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Old machines are last of the breed, any new replacement will have a $ controller board and be a pain to troubleshoot and fix....
Luckily my dishwasher & microwave were under warranty when the surge took them out . Otherwise the cost to replace the controller board would have been the same price as a replacement machine .
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Our washing machine is too smart for our own good. It has water temperature sensors which cause the wash cycle to stop and report an error if the water temperature isn't within tolerance ranges for the selected water temperature.

The problem is that we can't wash in cold for much of the summer because the water comes out of the tap at 85-90. So trying to wash in cold puts in warm water even when *no* hot water is used, and it errors out on us.

Something to consider if you live in a place where the cold water is not always cold. (And it's a real disappointment to be working outside or in the garage on another 103 Texas summer day and need a cool shower and not being able to get one, but I digress...)
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According to Consumer Reports, a front load washer should be replaced rather than repaired after it is 7 years old - 6 years if it is a top loader. If yours is 9, get a new one...
That sounds kind of extreme. My 1985 era top loader and gas dryer ran 20 years in my previous home and were still running fine when I sold the place (and left the machines behind). Maybe Consumer Reports recommendation is based more on the increased efficiency of the newer machines.

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That sounds kind of extreme. My 1985 era top loader and gas dryer ran 20 years in my previous home and were still running fine when I sold the place (and left the machines behind). Maybe Consumer Reports recommendation is based more on the increased efficiency of the newer machines.
We had an old Kenmore that lasted almost 20 years. Finally figured out the agitator mechanism was so worn about all it was doing was soaking and rinsing our laundry, not washing it!

Increased efficiency is part of the CR equation, but the most influential factors are the cost of repair vs. the cost of of replacement combined with survey results showing a high incidence of continuing problems after repairs were made - 36% for top loaders and 50% for front loaders. Bottom line, if it is relatively expensive to fix relative to the cost of a replacement and odds aren't good the fix will completely cure the problem, buy a new one.
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Maybe Consumer Reports recommendation is based more on the increased efficiency of the newer machines.
Yep, it's the payback for reduced electrical consumption.

I think just about all the benefits have been squeezed out of that niche, however, and pretty soon we'll be back to "they don't last much longer than seven years".

I don't know about you guys, but on Oahu the used appliances are so plentiful on Craigslist that they're almost worthless. It's especially bountiful during the military's summer moving season. If a washer or dryer is more than three years old then it's probably not worth $200. Fridges maybe $300. Our 2007 GE Profile Arctica 25.5 cu ft fridge ("Fridgezilla") was $2750 special-order retail. We bought it from the seller (still in the delivery packaging) for only $750 in late 2007. Today I think we'd be lucky to get $350 for it.
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Yep, it's the payback for reduced electrical consumption.
Did you not see my response... or are you telling me I did a lousy job of reading the Consumer Reports article?
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Increased efficiency is part of the CR equation, but the most influential factors are the cost of repair vs. the cost of of replacement combined with survey results showing a high incidence of continuing problems after repairs were made - 36% for top loaders and 50% for front loaders. Bottom line, if it is relatively expensive to fix relative to the cost of a replacement and odds aren't good the fix will completely cure the problem, buy a new one.
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Well that's not encouraging at all!

Our washer and dryer are ~22 year old Kenmores made by Whirlpool. No electronics at all, just electrical. They have survived lightning-induced power pulses with no problem. Not so the Microwave which I fixed myself, it's a built-in. And various and sundry little stuff that popped.

Old machines are last of the breed, any new replacement will have a $ controller board and be a pain to troubleshoot and fix. Our new refridge has a controller board, I have a good quality outlet strip suppressor mounted behind it, only about 600w max on defrost, less power on running, so I could do that. Hopefully good enough...
My previous top loader lasted 30 years. Front loader just made it out of warranty before the CPU died. I guess I had better just get used to it.

Sad part is that I know the CPU costs the manufacturer pennies. They should plug in like an SD card.
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My previous top loader lasted 30 years. Front loader just made it out of warranty before the CPU died. I guess I had better just get used to it.

Sad part is that I know the CPU costs the manufacturer pennies. They should plug in like an SD card.

My old appliances lasted forever but the new ones seem to have shorter life spans . I have never had a stove repaired until last year . The heating element went and then the handle broke off on a stove that was six years old .
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