What happened to (where is) the missing Malaysian Airline?

[Fermion]

This one is going to be pretty hard to deny if the phone conversation can be proved (plus the tweet from the rebels about shooting down a transport plan then deleting the tweet).

In the phone conversation the rebels essentially say "I think we shot down a passenger plane".

[samclem]

There's little doubt the rebels did it. The questions are:
-- Did they use a system supplied by Russia, or one seized from Ukrainian forces?
-- Will Russia be seen as responsible for this, and maybe focus some world attention on their role in the troubles there, or will the airlines be blamed for overflying this area? It was not among the areas the FAA warned airlines to avoid, and there was no ICAO warning to avoid this area, either.

There is one side that "wins" if Ukrainian transportation and commerce is made more difficult (due to higher insurance rates, airlines deciding to drop Kiev from their schedules, etc). If this happens, it won't matter if it was a claimed "mistake", carelessness, or deliberate--they will have succeeded in adding pressure to the Ukrainian government to make concessions. I don't think we will be moving forward if we allow irresponsible behavior to be rewarded.

[robnplunder]

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Originally Posted by Lancelot Reports of 150 Dutch on board?

And only 40 or so Malaysians. Dozen countries citizens were in the plane. Not a good move for the separatists.

[Lancelot]

@Samclem, the missile system was a Russian/Soviet built BUK, 1980's vintage surface to air missile system, according to ABC (Australian)

[pb4uski]

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Originally Posted by robnplunder And only 40 or so Malaysians. Dozen countries citizens were in the plane. Not a good move for the separatists.

With any luck Putin will use this unfortunate incident as an excuse to back away from these separatist clowns and withdraw from the jam he has put himself in and get back into the West's good graces and get the sanctions lifted. I doubt it though. Just wishful thinking on my part I guess.

[Fermion]

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Originally Posted by pb4uski With any luck Putin will use this unfortunate incident as an excuse to back away from these separatist clowns and withdraw from the jam he has put himself in and get back into the West's good graces and get the sanctions lifted. I doubt it though. Just wishful thinking on my part I guess.

More likely Putin will post an image of himself carrying four "survivors" from the crash to rescue vehicles. That is the type of person he is.

[aja8888]

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Originally Posted by Fermion More likely Putin will post an image of himself carrying four "survivors" from the crash to rescue vehicles. That is the type of person he is.

And then have them "detained" for not having passed through immigration properly.

[eytonxav]

Looks like Putin and separatists will blame Ukraine; and so it goes.

[easysurfer]

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Originally Posted by DFW_M5 Looks like Putin and separatists will blame Ukraine; and so it goes.

Give it a week or two, I won't be suprised if Putin will try to blame the USA.

[robnplunder]

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Originally Posted by DFW_M5 Looks like Putin and separatists will blame Ukraine; and so it goes.

Putin already has blamed Ukraine for all intents and purposes.

When I originally posted thread, I've never thought ...

1) the plane would not be found,
2) the thread is resurrected for another Malaysian plane disaster.

What is the odd of 1) & 2) happening to a same airline in 4 month period? Billion to 1? It never happened before so the odd of this happening is 1 to an astronomical number.

[eytonxav]

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Originally Posted by robnplunder Putin already has blamed Ukraine for all intents and purposes. When I originally posted thread, I've never thought ... 1) the plane would not be found, 2) the thread is resurrected for another Malaysian plane disaster. What is the odd of 1) & 2) happening to a same airline in 4 month period? Billion to 1? It never happened before so the odd of this happening is 1 to an astronomical number.

I think the two crashes happening to Malaysian are purely coincidental

[Fermion]

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Originally Posted by DFW_M5 I think the two crashes happening to Malaysian are purely coincidental

Actually it was more likely to happen to Malaysian than other airlines.

Malaysian was trying to take the shortest route because it saves fuel/money. Other airlines had decided to detour around parts of Ukraine. Malaysian therefore had higher odds of getting shot down by flying over a war zone.

[pb4uski]

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Originally Posted by Fermion ....Malaysian was trying to take the shortest route because it saves fuel/money. ....

Yup.... how's that working out for them?

Pennywise... pound foolish.

[Lancelot]

According to data from the flight-tracking company FlightRadar24, there were 55 planes that flew over eastern Ukraine around where Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was hit on Thursday, including those from Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, Austrian Airlines, Thai Airways, Jet Airways and Pakistan International Airways.

Commercial Planes Routinely Fly Over Conflict Zones, From Ukraine to Syria

In the future, passengers traveling East from Europe can probably thank Mr. Putin for longer flights.

[eytonxav]

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Originally Posted by Fermion Malaysian was trying to take the shortest route because it saves fuel/money. Other airlines had decided to detour around parts of Ukraine. Malaysian therefore had higher odds of getting shot down by flying over a war zone.

I thought I heard they diverted slightly due to weather Most other airlines are now saying they will divert from flying over Ukraine.

[TromboneAl]

Concerning the OP on MH370, anyone seen this?

https://saucysailoress.wordpress.com...ting-of-mh370/

[6miths]

Two Ukraine Air Force fighters shot down yesterday. Seems unlikely that the Ukraine is shooting down its own planes. Although could be a clever subterfuge to direct suspicion onto the rebels and Mr. Putin. Seems more likely that the rebels are having some fun before the Russians take their toys away.

[jetpack]

The US media is so biased in their reporting. I do think the separatists shot down the plane, but please be honest in the reporting.

Both the Ukrainian army, Separatists and Russians has in their possession BUK systems capable of shooting down the plane. US media reports them as "Russian make BUK systems". I haven't heard once in US media that the Ukrainian had this system.

[W2R]

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Originally Posted by TromboneAl Concerning the OP on MH370, anyone seen this? https://saucysailoress.wordpress.com...ting-of-mh370/

No, I had not seen it, thanks. Interesting report, although he did say he was very stressed out at the time. I wonder if that was a factor.

[samclem]

Yes, it has been reported that Ukraine owns BUK variants
And that they are all accounted for. And that the Russian-supplied and led "rebels" already claimed to have downed a plane at this place and time before erasing such claims. It is VERY clear what has happened.