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Old 03-24-2008, 07:56 PM   #41
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We'll see in the general election if Barack has the goods. I lean McCain, I've always liked him, but I'm open to Obama. I frankly couldn't be much happier with the candidates, and that's the first time in my adult life I can say that. Considering who some of the 16 or so candidates were who started out this process ( what, a year ago?) I think we are pretty lucky to end up with these two.*


*Hillary is all but mathematically eliminated, the media just likes a good story.
I couldn't agree more about being happy with candidates, what a pleasure to pick between two men of strong character. As for Hillary, she is a Clinton, don't count her out. You probably thought the Glen Close was dead at the end of Fatal Attractions (I knew better)
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Obama just seems so "smarmy" to me -he's just good at it so it takes a while to notice
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As I'd posted previously, Obama did not make a name for himself while a state senator. The bills that passed, according to the NY Times article include health care for those barely above poverty, a STUDY about welfare success rates, job training for those on Federal aid, helping ex-cons get back into the work force, videotaped interrogations, a STUDY on the race of people stopped for traffice violations, creating an office of immigrant assistance. I just lifted these from the Time article - and I think they underscore the point I made in my earlier post: Senator Obama's semi-obscure record is geared towards a specific community, and doesn't offer promise of working for ALL Americans.
So only blacks are in need of health care, are struggling with poverty, are on welfare or federal aid, are ex-cons, get interrogated and are immigrants? Those categories don't apply to other races? Those bills wouldn't apply to ALL Americans?
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The same could have said about the Dean-scream (freedom of speech ... link some women in burkas) ... but it ended for him on that night. Voters simply expect better (than 20 year's of spiritual guidance from the likes of Reverend Wright) - from the leader of the free world.
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The same could have said about the Dean-scream (freedom of speech ... link some women in burkas) ... but it ended for him on that night. Voters simply expect better (than 20 year's of spiritual guidance from the likes of Reverend Wright) - from the leader of the free world.
I find the preceived outrage over Obama's relationship with Reverend Wright a bit too much for me to stomach; I come from a different vantage point about this -- I'll just leave it at that. However, this just goes to show me how we really have different perspectives on this perhaps based on differing racial backgrounds, which is the point of a recent article in yesterday's Washington Post.
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*Hillary is all but mathematically eliminated, the media just likes a good story.
Superdelegates.
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If it's Obama and McCain, then the debates will be the first worthwhile political TV to watch in many years........

Much better than "Rathergate" or "Swift Boats for Truth"........
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Superdelegates.
Eh, they've all stated privately they won't overturn the will of the people. Clinton aides says she has to catch up and pass Barack in popular vote to have a chance of swaying supers, and that's pretty darn near impossible. Something like 20 point landslides in every state here on out.
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The banner above the video asked about legalizing prostitution. Ok, I'll sell my vote for a date with the Obama girl.
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Eh, they've all stated privately they won't overturn the will of the people. Clinton aides says she has to catch up and pass Barack in popular vote to have a chance of swaying supers, and that's pretty darn near impossible. Something like 20 point landslides in every state here on out.
I listened to James Carville (sp) on CNN, I am pretty sure his definition of the popular vote would include Michigan and Florida (so what if Obama wasn't on the MI ballot).

The refusal of the Obama camp to allow revotes in MI and FL, will be the excuse the Clinton campaign needs justify anything.
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Yes context does matter. I'll admit that he Wright sounds more like a traditional liberal pacifist preacher than American hater in the 9/11 speech. Still turning the other cheek which is what I think he is proposing is not the response I want from a President after 9/11.

Still you can't just blame Fox, CNN, MSBNC and the networks failed to show or even suggest that the clips being shown were really taken out of context.

Thank god for the internet.
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When the news media and those who do not like Mr. Obama use selective sound bites from the sermons to discredit Mr. Obama and Pastor Wright they do a great disservice to the truth and to the spirit of fair play.

I too believe that their is nothing wrong with Pastor Wright.

Today Ms. Clinton and her people brought up Mr. Obama's continued relationship with Pastor Wright and with Trinity United Church in order to take the focus away from her Bosnia under sniper fire remarks.

A CBS News article shows that Ms. Clinton has referred to the Bosnia sniper remarks more then once. Thus her campaigns attempts to put the focus on Mr. Obama and Pastor Wright are now clear.

New CBS Video Contradicts Clinton Again, Admits She Misspoke About 1996 Bosnia Trip; Mentioned It In Iowa, Texas And Also Last Week - CBS News

Thanks for the videos on the sermons. I hope that people will listen to them before they pass judgement on Pastor Wright and Mr. Obama.

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