But it's not just about the past - trying to say that pushes away present day consequences of the effects of slavery, reconstruction, jim crow, etc.
Present day - there is less quality education, particularly in urban areas where there are more minorities...
Present day - Networking is still a huge factor in becoming successful in finding a good job or business - those networks are often not diverse and hard to get into to...
Present day - communities are still ravaged by depression, drugs and crime - a direct result of poverty and disillusionment - from the continued marginilization that started from slavery but continued to present day.
Present day - people continue to discriminate - including in hiring, contracts and real estate...
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Sure - we all need to pick ourselves up and make our own lives...but you can't say everyone is on the same boat, especially if your life started off without many resources or support networks...
Bright eyed - those are very good observations and I actually agree with them all. Maybe later I'll expand on the 'networking' theme, which I have personally observed to be a very important issue, and something that well implemented 'affirmative action' programs can help to address. It's a fine line between a perception of 'reverse discrimination', but I wholly support certain aspects of it.
hmmm, struggling to be succinct here... Yes, the present is painted by the past. The present puts some people at a disadvantage. I understand that someone born into a disadvantaged socioeconomic class has the deck stacked against them, big time. All I'm trying to say is that if you are motivated to try to dig yourself out of a bad situation, expending too much energy wailing about the crimes committed against previous generations is probably not the most effective way out. Please don't think that I'm saying it is 'easy' - it is not. But I think it will give better results. And I'm not going to put a value judgment on whether they should or should not *feel* that way, I'm just saying that I don't think it's productive.
This was exactly one of the points of the study that was mentioned in the article I referenced above. I'm surprised that this point wasn't quite understood by ERD 50 (at least as far as I can tell) regarding the differing expectations that folks have over "racial disparities." ...
Basically repeating what I said above, but I sure won't 'blame' any minorities for being angry and feeling 'cheated' by past events. I think it's pretty easy to understand those feelings, even if one has not walked that mile. I'm just saying that there is a point where it isn't productive.
Let me put a little different spin on this, at the risk of jumping into the 'mortgage bail-out' thread theme:
We've heard how some people claim that the underprivileged were 'victimized' by the 'easy money mortgage' offers. But where were the minority leaders and mentors when this was going on? Were they out there being pro-active, warning and educating people about how to avoid high-risk mortgages? Or do we just get another round of the 'blame game', after the fact? IMO, the minority leaders and mentors would be doing a better service to their constituents by educating them to potential scams, rather than pointing fingers at the victimizers. Unfortunately, in this world there will always be some people trying to take advantage of others. The best solution that I've seen to this is education - learn to avoid the problem rather than trying to deal with the aftermath.
I'd be very interested in any links that show any minority leader out there that was trying to educate people about how to apply for a mortgage to avoid the risk. I have not seen them, even though I have looked (but, maybe I missed them). But it was easy to find minority leaders 'blaming' the 'big guys' for taking advantage of them, and demanding justice.
Life is not fair. It has been less fair to some than others. I just feel that trying to take some control of the situation is more productive than wailing about the unfairness of the past.
Sorry, I get a D- for 'succinct'
-ERD50