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Old 09-13-2012, 06:18 PM   #21
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looks like a star drive screw head
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:52 PM   #22
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looks like a star drive screw head
There we go! That looks like what I was thinking of. Here's some pictures of them:

http://www.diyhomecenter.com/screw-p...FYhxQgodAjsAfQ
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:20 PM   #23
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There we go! That looks like what I was thinking of. Here's some pictures of them:

http://www.diyhomecenter.com/screw-p...FYhxQgodAjsAfQ
Not sure why you said it wasn't Torx before, but it's a star? Torx = star, it's the same thing! Torx is the trademarked name of the star head.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:12 AM   #24
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Not sure why you said it wasn't Torx before, but it's a star? Torx = star, it's the same thing! Torx is the trademarked name of the star head.
Torx have 6 lobes as the OP pictures show.

There are 5 lobe star drives out there as well.

You are correct that the common name for Torx is star drive, kind of like Kleenex and facial tissues.
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Folks,

I was able to get the screws out with a Torx head, part of an inexpensive set of bits I bought yesterday to use with a ratcheting screwdriver. I proceeded very slowly and carefully, out of fear of splintering the veneer (the "wood" is actually laminate, unlike the first bed of this type that we bought). I now recall that the assembler just sort of stood the front piece in front of the bed frame, with nothing holding it up, and was getting ready to leave when we pointed out that there was nothing holding it up. That's when he got out his drill and electric screwdriver. We were unhappy but we also felt there was no point arguing with him, as he was unlikely to take the bed back at that point. I'm still not sure it would have done any good to insist.

We are now finding many other issues with this bed. It is identical to the older bed in appearance, but is put together with angled joints and pegs like a $#@! puzzle box. Not to mention that all the joined areas have swelled due to humidity. Since you have helped me so much already, I plan to take more pictures and ask more questions a little later on this thread.

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I am assuming keeping this frame partially or fully assembled isn't an option (probably a dumb question, huh )? Seems like a major headache to disassemble and then reassembly may be nigh impossible if holes get stripped or wood gets chipped/separated around the connection points.

A lot of assemble at home furniture isn't designed to be deconstructed completely once assembled (which makes it cheaper and lighter but less versatile).
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Fuego,

Not a dumb question at all. We may have to go that route, although it will make moving and storage more complicated. The older bed is simple to take apart, store, and reassemble, and it has been, multiple times. I think we can be forgiven for assuming that if we bought the same bed 10 years later, it would be...well, the same bed. But it isn't, and that's that.

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I am assuming keeping this frame partially or fully assembled isn't an option (probably a dumb question, huh )? Seems like a major headache to disassemble and then reassembly may be nigh impossible if holes get stripped or wood gets chipped/separated around the connection points.

A lot of assemble at home furniture isn't designed to be deconstructed completely once assembled (which makes it cheaper and lighter but less versatile).
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Not sure why you said it wasn't Torx before, but it's a star? Torx = star, it's the same thing! Torx is the trademarked name of the star head.
It looked like one I had trouble with that did not fit any of my Torx screwdrivers, though it looked close. I was unfamiliar with the "Star" terminology. The link I found was selling "Star" screws with no mention of Torx. I'm thinking of a wider inner hole and more rounded outer tabs than a Torx.

From OP: "I don't think they are pure Allens, and they could be Torxes, but the six points aren't very distinctive."

List of screw drives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Could be "Line" or "Polydrive" as well. Or maybe the larger Torx just look different than the smaller ones. Or maybe it's proprietary.
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Fuego,

Not a dumb question at all. We may have to go that route, although it will make moving and storage more complicated. The older bed is simple to take apart, store, and reassemble, and it has been, multiple times. I think we can be forgiven for assuming that if we bought the same bed 10 years later, it would be...well, the same bed. But it isn't, and that's that.

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If it isn't too late and the frame isn't disassembled yet, you may want to label the various parts beforehand. (For example, label a piece of paper then masking tape the paper on the part). That' way you'd know part "A" is connected to "B" etc. Maybe even sketch out the parts with labels as reference when you put it back together in the future.
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I didn't read all the posts but if it hasn't been suggested then there is a drill bit called an "easy out" that will drill a hole in the screw/bolt in the opposite direction. When you go to remove the bit it will bite into the screw and removal is easy. This is often used by mechanics for stripped screws, bolts or bolts that the head has twisted off. You should be able to find this at an automotive store or hardware store. Handy little buggers.

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Yep...even labeled the parts that we were able to disassemble. Some of them had labels, some didn't. And the screws have been taped together with "right side" screws in one package, and "left side" screws in another.
I made a little map of the whole contraption in my notebook, too.

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If it isn't too late and the frame isn't disassembled yet, you may want to label the various parts beforehand. (For example, label a piece of paper then masking tape the paper on the part). That' way you'd know part "A" is connected to "B" etc. Maybe even sketch out the parts with labels as reference when you put it back together in the future.
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As you have already discovered, Torx works. There is a variation of these screws called Torx+ that has the same six pointed star shape except that the bases of the points are wider and the end points of the star are filled in. Imagine a six toothed gear and you will get an idea of what the driver bit looks like.

FWIW, every Phillips or slotted screw gets replaced by either Torx or Robertson screws in my house. Robertson bits are like the square ones with a slight cam that seats the screw for one handed operation.

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Why in the world are there so many combinations of screw types to choose from? Phillips, flat head, star, etc.


Just to complicate our lives?
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Why in the world are there so many combinations of screw types to choose from? Phillips, flat head, star, etc.


Just to complicate our lives?
Yes, it is a conspiracy by screw manufacturers. Kinda like the haberdashers that had JFK assassinated.
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