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Old 02-04-2011, 12:32 PM   #121
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I'm sorry there is just no logic to charging me more in property tax because someone is willing to pay more for the house nextdoor to me...period.
Let me guess... you're not one of those people getting a State pension are you? If so, you probably consider that to be 'untouchable', regardless of the States ability to pay? And don't think your taxes should be raised?

I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised that I wasn't. Seems to all fit, IMO ...

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Old 02-04-2011, 01:34 PM   #122
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I was born and raised here in Northern California. What will happen? Well, our home is paid for (new construction); because of the real estate drop, our new property taxes are around $1900.00 per year. We purchased the land in the 1970's, before the building boom, and have always lived below our means. It took us 5 years to build a very modest energy efficient home.

People have always complained about the politicians around here. But, I refuse to let it ruin my day, especially when I can walk outside today and it will be 65 and sunny. And, I can just pick up the phone and call a friend.

It is surprising to me how much people talk about California - how ruined it is, how overpopulated it is, how liberal it is, how conservative Orange County is, how smoggy it is, how bankrupt it is. I wonder how those who speak negatively about our state are getting along in their own lives?

You know, I don't trash other states. I believe that every region has its beauty and worth. When someone is raised in a particular environment, it is "in their blood," so to speak. I feel like I am part of the land, and I am, literally. I eat food from local sources and am closely inter-woven with our community. And right now I can walk over to the Miner's Lettuce (a wild edible around here) and pick our salad for dinner.

I truly envision happiness and wellness for all you out there, even those who are having a difficult time of it accepting California just the way it is, and the way that it is not.

Me thinks it is time to cheer up and mellow out.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:54 PM   #123
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It is surprising to me how much people talk about California - how ruined it is, how overpopulated it is, how liberal it is, how conservative Orange County is, how smoggy it is, how bankrupt it is. I wonder how those who speak negatively about our state are getting along in their own lives?
My greatest hope is that all those folks get so revved up that they decide to kick California out of the Union. Innumerate ideologues...
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You know, I don't trash other states. ...

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I don't understand where you are coming from on this. Who is 'trashing' your State?

I thought the crux of the discussion was about if it is fair for one homeowner to get a break on his property tax compared to his neighbor in a similar home. I'd make the argument that it isn't fair, regardless of the location.

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I thought the crux of the discussion was about if it is fair for one homeowner to get a break on his property tax compared to his neighbor in a similar home. I'd make the argument that it isn't fair, regardless of the location.

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But everyone gets the same tax break. You buy in and are guaranteed no more than 2% increase in your assessed value based on the value YOU set. How is that not fair?
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Do the people with caps on their taxes still get to vote for state ballot initiatives that will increase spending (paid for someone else)? I think I see a problem here.
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Do the people with caps on their taxes still get to vote for state ballot initiatives that will increase spending (paid for someone else)? I think I see a problem here.

Since EVERY property owner has caps on their taxes then the answer would be yes.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:05 PM   #128
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Quote: "I don't understand where you are coming from on this. Who is 'trashing' your State?

I thought the crux of the discussion was about if it is fair for one homeowner to get a break on his property tax compared to his neighbor in a similar home. I'd make the argument that it isn't fair, regardless of the location."

I was speaking to the general theme of the discussion: "What Will Become of California?" Prop. 13 is one issue of many. During the real estate bubble, there were people who paid higher property taxes. However, they purchased at the top. I am too fiscally conservative to buy a home I can't afford. It would be very scary to pay the prices that real estate was commanding pre-2007. Now, people are able to buy at lower prices - thus, lower property taxes. Many others have had their property taxes re-assessed to reflect the lower prices.

Regarding "trashing my state," I did not say anyone is trashing my state. I said that I don't trash other states. Only you know whether you hold negative thoughts toward California or any other state. I can, however, say that I don't trash other states, because I am not there and I would not know what I am talking about.
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Prop 13, Fair? Unfair? I could argue either side, but if I remember, it was put in by referendum of the voters. It is what the majority of the people of CA wanted. As someone else said it was partly to try and control the amount of money the government gets. Seems like that portion worked. People do not have to fear of being taxed out of their homes. That part worked. Politicians continued to buy votes and spend money they did not have. That part did not work and not the bill is due. So the obvious solution is to cut the services most people are willing to pay for, i.e. Fire and Police while they hide the things a majority of the folks paying the bill would cut. Have you ever looked at the chairs politicians sit in? Watch next time you see a city counsel meeting.
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