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Old 07-11-2015, 08:42 AM   #21
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> full of cash, diamonds, stock certificates

Depending on the time period cash might be an issue. Printed money has been evolving pretty quickly and using large denomination old bills might draw attention.

Also, in 40 years, will paper money even be allowed? Maybe the character has to sell the cash to a collector for "credits".
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:51 AM   #22
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Yes, the cemetery idea is excellent.

As for easy access, she could just dig down a foot or so right along the front of the granite grave markers.

>Depending on the time period cash might be an issue. Printed money has been evolving pretty quickly and using large denomination old bills might draw attention.

I've thought about that, but I considered that if someone handed me a twenty minted in 1980, I wouldn't even notice. Here's a twenty from 1928:



This is my pseudo-code version of this portion of the scene. Maybe I'll have this fail, and have her go to her backup cache in the cemetery.

In cab, asks to be taken to Gemco, JJ Newberry.
Cabbie: ?
A discount store that sells sneakers. Near GG Park?
At four AM?
Yes.
Uses map app on dashboard. Viv is fascinated.
V Waits for store to open.
Asks for basketball sneakers. Buys cheap high-tops, cheap knife.
Goes to cypress tree,
Much bigger than it was.
checks around, no one coming.
Climbs it.
Comes to cache location.
It’s not there.
Had chiseled away the bark and inserted her SS flask with money and diamonds.
It had to be here. She had the location correct.
Could it … ?
Stabs tree into location, knife hits something.
Ah, the bark has grown over it.
Starts digging with the knife. Not going to work
“Hey, you can’t climb that tree!”
Shoot, wasn’t watching for people.
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I was surprised that we've had ziplocs since the sixties:

“It seems hard to believe it now, but people did not know how to open the bag,” Steven Ausnit, developer of the original Ziploc, recently told an audience at Marquette University. He recalled that sometime around the early 1960s, his company persuaded Columbia Records to try a plastic sleeve with the zipper on top for albums. “At the final meeting, we were all set to go. The guy called in his assistant, handed her the sealed bag and said, ‘Open it.’ I thought to myself, Lady, please do the right thing! The more she looked at it, the more my heart sank. And then she tore the zipper right off the bag.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/ma...iploc-bag.html
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The reasoning behind the columbarium in a church is that the stash can be put in an urn that no one will disturb. Churches are often open 24hours. Depending on location it is usually easy to access the urn.
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The reasoning behind the columbarium in a church is that the stash can be put in an urn that no one will disturb. Churches are often open 24hours. Depending on location it is usually easy to access the urn.
Yes, that's even better. I didn't know what a columbarium was, so I missed it first time through.



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Hmmmm.... maybe some sort of building or castle on the historic register and the tourist circuit? They don't change/remodel them much after they've been restored to the historic time frame, and it seems rare for one to be allowed to be demolished.

She jimmies the gate and door to a back basement entrance, finds the stash, grabs some clothing from the prop room and becomes one of the actors in character to negotiate her escape through the morning influx of the day's tourists. After that, she melts into the crowds at Comic-Con.
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Yes, that's even better. I didn't know what a columbarium was, so I missed it first time through.
If it's set in San Francisco, Grace Cathedral (one of the largest, if not the largest church building in the city) in Nob Hill has a columbarium.
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I’d go for a small town or abandoned graveyard. Stainless container inside of plastic pipe. I see the tougher choice being what to put inside. Cash from 40 years ago might raise some serious questions, if it is even still useable. Stocks run the risk of picking companies like American Motors, and Executive Life Insurance Company. Gold, silver, perhaps gems. There probably should also be supplies that a “survivalist” would need.
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Yes, that's even better. I didn't know what a columbarium was, so I missed it first time through.
I'm amazed at the good ideas I get here.

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One way to handle the old money idea would be to say that you were cleaning out an old house you just bought and found a stash of money. (better have bought one)
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This thread got me to thinking about the Saddle Ridge Hoard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle_Ridge_Hoard
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how not to do it - Dalton Gang
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how not to do it - Dalton Gang

The famous Dalton Gang made history in 1892 when they attempted to rob two banks at the same time in Coffeyville, Kansas. The result was the death of four of the outlaws and four citizens, and a prison term for the only survivor, Emmett Dalton.



Less well known is the fortune in gold and silver coins allegedly buried by the outlaws on the evening before the Coffeyville attempt. The cache was estimated to be worth between $9,000 and $20,000 in 1892 values.

On the evening of October 5, the gang arrived at Onion Creek where it joins with the Verdigris River near the Kansas-Oklahoma border. There, they set up camp. Desiring to travel as unencumbered as possible, they unloaded all of the goods from their horses. The gold and silver coins were placed in a shallow hole they dug adjacent to their campfire.
The robbery attempt was a disaster and spelled the end of the gang. All were killed, save for Emmett. He served only 15 years in prison when he was pardoned in 1907. Lawmen believed that when freed, Emmett would lead them to the buried cache. They followed him for weeks, but he stayed away from Onion Creek. He once told an interviewer that he believed the coin cache was tainted and he wanted no more to do with it.
The precise location of the Onion Creek campsite has been debated for years, but recently discovered information has narrowed the area of search. On the morning the Dalton Gang departed for Coffeyville, Mary Brown, the young daughter of a nearby rancher, was riding her horse when she heard voices near Onion Creek. Reining up her mount, she listened and heard the sounds of men eating and saddling horses. Moments later, Brown saw five horsemen riding out from under a small wooden bridge that spanned the creek and making their way toward Coffeyville.
Years later, when Brown was an adult, she heard the story of the gold and silver coins buried at the Onion Creek campsite and was determined to find them. During the time that passed since the Coffeyville Raid, however, the old bridge had been torn down, portions of the creek had changed course and the road had been relocated. Though she searched for a full day, Brown was unable to find the location where the Daltons had camped so many years earlier.
As far as anyone knows, the treasure is still there.
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Here's the Grace Cathedral columbarium.



I would prefer glass-fronted niches, but few will know that the niches at Grace aren't glass-fronted.

Here's what I'm thinking now:

She goes to the columbarium, but as she's jimmying open the niche, there's a small earthquake.
"Everybody out now!"
Stay or go?
Almost got it.
She can see the urn. So much money there, inches away.
Bigger shock.
Someone makes her get out of the building.
The big one hits
The cathedral collapses.
Tries to search through the rubble. Hopeless.
On to plan B: the second cache in the tree.

Too much coincidence?

Plus, the earthquake and recovery can be an interesting part of the plot.
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Somewhere on Alcatraz island ?


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Underground is good, but underwater is even better. Less likelihood of discovery by people or land animals. If properly sealed and anchored with a heavy weight, coming up with compass directions and distance from an existing permanent ground landmark (USGS pillars) to relocate it could turn into a neat story plot to weave.
I'm not familiar with the SF area, but are there permanent buoys in the harbor that are only serviced for their mounted lights and not their underwater parts ? Perhaps the base of a bridge, i.e. the underwater footings ? A large fixed land-to-ocean dock ?
Canals and ponds get dredged on a regular basis, so that wouldn't w*rk.
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I remember another movie in which a stash is hidden: The Shawshank Redemption.

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Plus, she has no form of identification.

Shows what I know-never had a safe deposit box. Aren't some set-up so you just need a special number?

Give it to a lawyers office. Have them hold, and set-up so it can be accessed in some special way in the future. Maybe they hold the deposit box key, and notify the bank every so often to keep things active.

Fool proof solution! Every library has a copy of Adam Smiths The Wealth of Nations, but no one reads it. Hollow out the book at the SF public library and hide some of it there.
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Al, it is your story and it sounds like you are looking for a dramatic turn.

However, if you just need the character to get the stash, one of these little outside church columbariums may be the ticket (see picture below). They have some security, but not a lot. Sometimes they get improved or moved. If that happens, the workers would doubtfully mess with the urns, so I think it would be safe.

What I'm thinking here is this is an easy hit with a crowbar at night.

But it is your story, and an earthquake with glass front niches sounds more interesting.
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I remember another movie in which a stash is hidden: The Shawshank Redemption.

Or Thunderbolt and Lightfoot:



At location 1 hour, 30 minutes (spoiler alert).
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