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Who's watching the watchers?
Picking up justin's question here:
http://early-retirement.org/forums/i...9555#msg259555 I'll just respond personally to justin who said he was "paranoid about saying stuff on the Internet". My mom (78) [oops! now they'll know who she is!!] has several times warned me on the phone to "watch out" what I e-mail and say on the phone to RWsis (right-wing sis; political topics more or less the tenor of what I've posted here). It's pretty funny since she's been all hot under the collar since GHWB's "new world order".. yet she votes R every time! I tell her "well, quit voting for these people, then..!" ;-) Quote:
.. the question is more properly put: "to what extent are you NOT monitored?"Chapter 1: Financial Transactions Let's start in the 1970s when as an oldish sprat my parents began talking to me about "adult" financial matters. They told me that the government tracked every bank transaction of $10k or more. Certain years my mom would gift me the amount roughly up to the gift tax exemption (used to be $10k even back when; now adjusts up), but scrupulously write multiple checks with different dates, to avoid "red flags". In 2000 I move to Italy and obviously need to transfer $ between there and here. To do so I need a special number (actually it's a code of letters) that's alternately called a SWIFT code or SWIFT number. I know what this is for. In fact, if I HADn't known what it was for, I'dve soon gotten suspicious, since it was actually a blasted hard number to come across, at least in identifying my Italian bank. The Italians professed ignorance; the US broker needed the number and would not release funds without it; neither could help. I finally found it on an obscure web page of some wierd high-level commercial banking site. I found later that a lot of expats had run into the same problem. Fortunately 7 years have passed and you now can go here to research the codes: http://www.swift.com/biconline/index...lay_freesearch At www.swift.com, no less! Can't get much more secret than that! Let's take a look, shall we? .. at the right-wing response to this --to them-- "revelation" (again, of which "average jane" me was completely aware): The Weekly Standard (aka home of Bill Kristol -- I see a lot of you get your "general news" from FOX, so heads up here!): Quote:
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Again, this is just over the SWIFT thing. The Times has "blown" the program! AHAAHAHHAAAA.. The one that my suburban parents and I had assumed was common knowledge for thirty (30) years! We know she's nuts, but you can't leave out Ms. Coulter: Quote:
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Anyway, the gist of it is that the US gov. knows and cares every time I make transaction to my Italian bank. If I make a large xfer the wire agent quizzes me on the whys and wherefores.. I need to explain the purpose of the funds and I assume not for the gossipy benefit of the wire agent; he writes it down and somebody tells someone, somewhere). Added bonus: I'm not allowed to make recurring automatic transfers. I have to call up (prob. traced) and make a special request each time. I asked about this and it was explained to me that this was "for my security" (see my other post about "enhanced services"). Now the question I ask myself about these goings-on is: what do people actually remember about ANY of the actual reporting about the SWIFT program (actually run by a private Belgian firm)? If they remember anything at all they're unlikely to remember that everything that was reported was, in fact, in the public domain: nothing "classified" at all. What I'd assume they remember most is that "the NYT editors are traitors and should be hung." I know whose work that is (cough-Bill KristolandtheWhiteHouse). Now it's not enough that banks are required to report these transactions; I have to file a form TD F 90-22.1 each year, with ALL my bank information, including account number and average balance (tier). What's interesting about this is that it gets sent to Treasury (not the IRS) and the penalties for not filing are as follows: Quote:
The Orwellian name of the statute that requires I do this is the "Bank Secrecy Act" (!) I won't even bother getting into all the credit- and debit-card xactions that I have no doubt the gov't. either has or soon will have (see succeeding chapters as I post them). |
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Re: Who's watching the watchers?
Chapter Two: E-mails and phone calls
In December 2006 FOX (just to show I'm not biased) reported the following: Quote:
Now.. you can say, as some have, that the government "can't" collect everyone's e-mails.. that this would somehow be impossible. Yet firms are required, today, to be collecting all work-related e-mails and more; if they collectively have the capacity, why would one think the gov. wouldn't? Here is a map of who currently "owns" the Internet (routers): http://infosthetics.com/archives/200...ernet_map.html The original "backbone" originated with DARPA and then appears to have been mostly handed off to the National Science Foundation (who is currently working on the next, faster, generation of routers). I don't know enough about the subject to say whether merely being connected would allow an agency like DARPA or the NSA to skim off and archive e-mails for perusal at their leisure, but that may be moot, since they have willing partners in ATT & Verizon: Quote:
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There ya go.. I guess it is fairly easy to capture e-mails remotely. In some cases judges have also ruled that locating you via your cell phone does not require a warrant: http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/USA_v_PenRegister/ I have read of other instances in which PATRIOT ACT access to e-mails has resulted in prosecution for "regular" criminal activity (nothing to do with "terror"); can't find 'em all now. |
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Re: Who's watching the watchers?
Chapter 3: Terrorists? or also you and me?
But it's only terrorists, right? So any and all measures are worth the price of being constantly monitored by the gov't.? Now, some people might think this is groovy, as long as all goes smoothly. But it doesn't. The climate surrounding gov't. abuses is so permeated with secrecy that whistleblowers are not even allowed to attend trials in which they are a party. Quote:
http://www.nswbc.org/Reports%20-%20D...ateSecrets.htm Section 215 of Patriot Act gives FBI power to demand documents, medical records, ANYthing, without a judge's order; all the FBI has to do is say that its interest is primarily related to terror OR money laundering. No proof; just their say-so. http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/1...s20021024.html The Quakers: Quote:
The Quakers have good reason to be worried: as a pacifist group they are a gov't. target. wiki on the FISA court: Quote:
Of course, the Bush admin. doesn't even want to go by the FISA court system. They don't want there to be a paper trail of ANY kind... even a secret, non-adversarial one. Don't forget, too, that the PATRIOT Act also forces libraries to give up lists of what books you've checked out, upon the FBI's mere request. Quote:
This is the agency telling us the extent of its own wrong-doing.. do we trust them? Do we trust Gonzales? This is his purview. What reason has he given the American people to trust anything he says? But it's only terrorists, right? (and whistleblowers.. 'cause some things have to be secret).. This has nothing to do with the regular courts and regular accusations of criminal activity.. right? Quote:
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Re: Who's watching the watchers?
Chapter 4: The Big Picture
Anyone who thinks they have a hard time changing inaccuracies on their credit report, dealing with the DMV, getting wildy-mistargeted junk mail replete with errors (with a last name that ends in a vowel, I kept getting stuff in Spanish, a language I don't speak).. well, now just imagine that portrait being handed to the FBI or other Federal agencies to do with as they wish: Quote:
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This is all couched in the language of data mining and analysis, testing on searching for established patterns and so forth (only of terrorists, though!). There are very obvious significant issues here: 1.) The government being somehow in possession of all this data. People who don't care about the 4th amendment can skip this. 2.) The extent to which it is only applied for "tracking terrorists to avoid attack". The writer of the mail helpfully indicates that this is "the goal".. but goals can change. Was the goal of Hoover's FBI to fight crime, or to smear MLK? It doesn't take massive super-computing power to be evil, but it sure doesn't hurt. 3.) The writer calmly assesses the future "need" for world-wide commercial transactions to be monitored by the US government. He goes on to be concerned only with the money aspect of having DARPA's investment co-mingled with proprietary tech. "There is little or no chance that any [commercial] company is likely to advance the state of the art." Here's a GAO report with a small section on "privacy concerns": pp. 10-11 Quote:
Now, I think that's a quite interesting turn of phrase: "information can be developed" Kinda reminds me of how a forged letter and a kooky informer "developed" into mobile bioweapons labs, nuclear facilities and other WMD-type items in a certain Middle Eastern country. From the Puzzle Palace: "Three decades after its creation, the NSA is still without a formal, statutory charter, the first reform called for by the Church Committee. Instead, there is a super hush-hush surveillance court that is virtually impotent; the FISA, which has enough loopholes and exceptions to render it nearly useless; and an executive order that was designed more to protect the intelligence community from the citizens than the citizens from the intelligence community. (p. 475)" U.S. Senator Frank Church: "If this government ever became a tyranny ... the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government ... is within the reach of the government to know." These quotes aren't from yesterday, they're from 25 years ago. As I think I said before, it's too late. They'll never put the genie back in the bottle. It's just not possible. When the book was written, the employees' secrecy oath was for twenty years; after the book was published, it was changed to fifty. So if we want to know what happened after 1982, we'll have to wait 'til 2032. (Or the secrecy oath will be changed to 100 years.) Those who don't have time or inclination to read the book might instead glean something from this post I came across, which summarizes it quite a bit, with material from other sources: http://home.earthlink.net/~count_bel...saclipper1.htm a couple of stand-outs: Quote:
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Re: Who's watching the watchers?
Chapter 5: Defending Totalitarian Information Awareness
Now let's look at TIA from the other point-of-view to be fair. Here's the Heritage Organization. They echo lets-retire in that the big brouhaha is all the fault of the media. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Hom...ense/wm175.cfm Quote:
I don't even know how to express my disgust? outrage? (too overused) There's really nothing strong enough without resorting to a paragraph of expletives. I don't want to gloss over how important this is: we trusted the gov. back then to "do what was right." They broke the law. Most people, when they break serious laws, go to jail. Now they've gotten to be head of a database whose express purpose is to sweep up every electronic bread crumb they could possibly find on you, me, anybody. They also get to go on the tee-vee like Ollie North. The whole Iran-Contra crowd is a bunch of busy bees in the current WH:, you got your John Negroponte (Deputy Sec. of State), you got your Robert Gates (Defense Secretary), you got your Eliot Abrams (Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy) DEMOCRACY, my a$$! These are people who demonstrably colluded to make a mockery of democracy, yet here they are holding the reins of power. As an aside, note the weasly substitution of "Dr." Poindexter for "Admiral", likely hoping no one would notice. Quote:
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. |
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