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Old 09-26-2007, 12:12 PM   #41
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Bollinger is just the last in a long line of Columbia presidents who courted controversy. Just look at the 60's Black Panther fiasco.

Columbia lost probably 10 really big donors for letting an avowed anti-Semite take a stage that has repeatedly been denied to far right Jewish groups. It has been an ongoing theme here in NYC that Columbia, left to it's more zealous fringe groups, will always support the Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, H. Rap Brown, etc., for bolstering our world's diversity of thought. All should be heard. I agree.
Isn't Columbia the "Ivy League Hotbed" of media training, didn't most of the bigshot anchor folks in the national media get degrees from Columbia? So then, bringing in a nutjob who hates America and Israel makes perfect sense............
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Well, didn't they have the Minuteman guy speak there and there was a big flap? If you are running a faculty for International and Public Affairs are you going to stick only with the "safe" speakers? Do people really fear that Columbia students, New Yorkers, or Americans in general are going to run out and buy headscarves and Korans? I mean, it was worth it to hear people laughing at his remarks on homosexuals so maybe free and open exposure will help "our" side, too. I do agree 100% that "women are the best creatures created by God"!

Finance Dude, are you referring to Pat Buchanan and Norman Podhoretz?
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Yes, Columbia fancies itself an upscale learning institution but it appears to be more of a community college version of Harvard and way down from Bush's school, Yale. Didn't Gore Vidal graduate from there or am I thinking Tipper Gore. Some Gore was a graduate.

And there are a lot of Columbia students that got some inspiration from Ahmadinejab. Many seemed really proud to associate themselves with him. My building has 30-40 students from Columbia and a few from Fordham and the differences are easy to spot. No Fordham jihadists.
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Iran's The USA's elections are interesting things. . . .

I >>knew<< someone would do it! Good on 'ya! Still, to have someone who lives in Italy (of all places) throwing spitballs at the US political process . . . "Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle. . . ."
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Oh Italy is farrrr worse in many ways, except they don't have their finger on any nuclear triggers. What was the quote about "concentrating the mind wonderfully"?

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Being a US citizen, I vote in US federal elections, and pay US taxes. Not an Italian citizen, so I can't vote here. If I could I would be out there with Beppe Grillo.
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N.B. I don't agree with his labor views (they are just part of the entitlement problem) but his attacks on the protected classes of politicians and journalists are spot on. No one has publicly talked this way in Italy. It's a feudal society that has found continued museum space in the modern Siamese twins of communism and fascism.. and everyone has their protected, inflexible, "role".
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I >>knew<< someone would do it! Good on 'ya! Still, to have someone who lives in Italy (of all places) throwing spitballs at the US political process . . . "Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle. . . ."
Isn't Italy the country where an "ex" porn star is in the Parliament? Or am I dreaming??
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Iran is not much of a threat at present in the traditional military sense. But in the sense that national security is now so (unfortunately) intertwined with energy (read: oil) availability, any hiccup of supply from the region could bring some Western nations to their knees, no matter how economically and militarily powerful they may be.

If the U.S. and its major allies didn't need their oil supply, the region would be largely irrelevant in terms of national security on several levels.

Beyond that, though, someone developing nukes who has called for Israel's extermination and denies the Holocaust isn't someone you want to see get too powerful.
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Iran is not much of a threat at present in the traditional military sense. But in the sense that national security is now so (unfortunately) intertwined with energy (read: oil) availability, any hiccup of supply from the region could bring some Western nations to their knees, no matter how economically and militarily powerful they may be.

If the U.S. and its major allies didn't need their oil supply, the region would be largely irrelevant in terms of national security on several levels.

Beyond that, though, someone developing nukes who has called for Israel's extermination and denies the Holocaust isn't someone you want to see get too powerful.
Didn't recent Bible theologians say tha the "Antichrist" was alive, and living in the Middle East??
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why are we so obesessed with Iran a 3rd world country?
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Didn't recent Bible theologians say tha the "Antichrist" was alive, and living in the Middle East??
Some may say that he may be residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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To be fair, the University president didn't say he was a dictator. He said he exhibits "all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator."
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Why are we obsessed with Iran? Supply lines, oil, wanting to control nuclear proliferation even if the target in question claims no auspices towards being a nuclear power. Remember, it's easier to beat 'em before they can hit you back with an atomic left hook. 3k dead GI's is a horrible tragedy; 30k dead GI's from a nuclear explosion would be damn near unforgivable.

I was looking at a map the other day. We're in Iraq, we're in Afghanistan; an Iranian move would almost help solidify our front. I wonder how us beefing up Africom affects all of this longer-term, though. When do friendly nations like Saudi Arabia and Egypt start feeling surrounded.
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Why are we obsessed with Iran? Supply lines, oil, wanting to control nuclear proliferation even if the target in question claims no auspices towards being a nuclear power. Remember, it's easier to beat 'em before they can hit you back with an atomic left hook. 3k dead GI's is a horrible tragedy; 30k dead GI's from a nuclear explosion would be damn near unforgivable.

I was looking at a map the other day. We're in Iraq, we're in Afghanistan; an Iranian move would almost help solidify our front. I wonder how us beefing up Africom affects all of this longer-term, though. When do friendly nations like Saudi Arabia and Egypt start feeling surrounded.

Just how do you suppose we americans do an " Iranian Move" Without a draft?? I just love all you hawks. Dude ya want us to be in Iraq Afganistan and Iran, not gonna happen. Nukes? Yep the entire world will have them at some point and yep some dumb HUMAN will use one or more on some poor unlucky humans and poof. The human race will destroy itself. At least the dinosaurs didn't know what hit em!!!We humans are to darn stupid to live peacefully with each other.
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>Just how do you suppose we americans do an " Iranian Move" Without a draft?? I just love all you hawks.

I imagine we would have a draft. And, who are you calling a hawk?
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>Just how do you suppose we americans do an " Iranian Move" Without a draft?? I just love all you hawks.

I imagine we would have a draft. And, who are you calling a hawk?
My bad, still sleepy. Just reading another blog about Oil above 80 a barrel and the guy saying how about rebuilding the railroads and putting the american auto industry working on rolling stock, and then having trains run from say cleveland to columbus or La to San Fran then we would get the airports cleared out save a bunch of oil and let the airlines do what they do best long hauls.

Crazy we americans need to learn how to live differently, easier than keeping the army fighting in god awful places to keep the oil flowing, oil that is disappearing . Peak Oil is here or very close by.
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What is the slur "hawk" supposed to connote?

Being obsessed is an American obsession. We want a confrontation with Iran to escalate to war and give us some reason to take out the Iran mullah's Guard. They are the world's most fanatical military and soon to have nukes. It will be interesting to see how my candidate, Hillary, deals with this. A good test for her since the nukes will probably be available during her 6-7th year in office.
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A good test for her since the nukes will probably be available during her 6-7th year in office.
Wow, it's hard to decide which crisis will be a bigger challenge for the US.
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My bad, still sleepy. Just reading another blog about Oil above 80 a barrel and the guy saying how about rebuilding the railroads and putting the american auto industry working on rolling stock, and then having trains run from say cleveland to columbus or La to San Fran then we would get the airports cleared out save a bunch of oil and let the airlines do what they do best long hauls.

Crazy we americans need to learn how to live differently, easier than keeping the army fighting in god awful places to keep the oil flowing, oil that is disappearing . Peak Oil is here or very close by.
Well, where to start.

If you (generic, not singling you out specifically) live in a capitalistic society and assume that it's working (or, at least working well enough that you haven't wanted to leave), then you have to assume that things work best when there is incentive do to so. We don't have a bunch of cars that get 50 mpg on the road because there is no demand for them. You're only going to get there if you mandate it or if you make oil so expensive (naturally as we pass Peak Oil) that there is a greater market for a 1.8 liter diesel three seater than there is for a 5.7 liter gas SUV.

The last time we had any sort of remarkable jump in mpg savings was when we had a presidential mandate to do so. Both parties have chosen to ignore the issue since then.

So, we need to incent the public to respond and it needs to come from either a real emergency or punitive regulation. Humans are very creative and WWII showed how we can respond when we have a crisis, but there's no incentive yet... even if peak oil is a reality.

On the rail front. It's an interesting idea. But, again, you're really going to have to push hard to get people to want to change. Look at it this way, I can spend $50 and 8 hours to take a train to Chicago. Or, I can spend $40 and 2 hours for the flight. That's a big hurdle to overcome to make trains appealing.

On the flip side of the argument, if one believes that peak oil is right around the corner and, further, that future wars will be over resources, then why not go after it all now. Sure, it's brutal now, but better to have the fight now when there's one ill-equipped enemy than later when you have a lot more unknowns.
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Well, where to start.

If you (generic, not singling you out specifically) live in a capitalistic society and assume that it's working (or, at least working well enough that you haven't wanted to leave), then you have to assume that things work best when there is incentive do to so. We don't have a bunch of cars that get 50 mpg on the road because there is no demand for them. You're only going to get there if you mandate it or if you make oil so expensive (naturally as we pass Peak Oil) that there is a greater market for a 1.8 liter diesel three seater than there is for a 5.7 liter gas SUV.

The last time we had any sort of remarkable jump in mpg savings was when we had a presidential mandate to do so. Both parties have chosen to ignore the issue since then.

So, we need to incent the public to respond and it needs to come from either a real emergency or punitive regulation. Humans are very creative and WWII showed how we can respond when we have a crisis, but there's no incentive yet... even if peak oil is a reality.

On the rail front. It's an interesting idea. But, again, you're really going to have to push hard to get people to want to change. Look at it this way, I can spend $50 and 8 hours to take a train to Chicago. Or, I can spend $40 and 2 hours for the flight. That's a big hurdle to overcome to make trains appealing.

On the flip side of the argument, if one believes that peak oil is right around the corner and, further, that future wars will be over resources, then why not go after it all now. Sure, it's brutal now, but better to have the fight now when there's one ill-equipped enemy than later when you have a lot more unknowns.

Newguy is BooBoobear so its newguy writing this. So you say we should take the oil? The Iranian oil? Or attack them now because they are still without a nuke. Interesting thought.

Poltical mandate? After 9/11 this president COULD have had the american people sacrifice bigtime! If he said lets not be tied to middle eastern oil from the regimes that don't really like us, remember 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudis and said 1 or 2 dollar war tax on gasoline and then said yep sacrifice your suv for a better american life so we can be weaned from the middleastern oil fields well maybe it would have resonated better than hey GO SHOPPING!! The democrats are no better so don't paint me with that brush.High speed rail and REAL LEADERS! the american people have NONE!
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