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Old 04-13-2008, 08:59 PM   #21
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How many more times will you guys keep saying move to venezula or another socialist country.
Probably as long as you keep coming to a forum full of people who's only commonality is that they are enjoying the fruits of capitalism and spilling your socialist crap.

So, either you don't get it or your a troll. Until recently I wasn't sure which one.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:16 PM   #22
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Probably as long as you keep coming to a forum full of people who's only commonality is that they are enjoying the fruits of capitalism and spilling your socialist crap.

So, either you don't get it or your a troll. Until recently I wasn't sure which one.

Lets see how is a MILITARY pension a fruit of capitalism?

People like you are the IS got mines and screw the rest of ya.

Sorry its not that simple.
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Yes, with over 40,000 deaths a year (and many more serious injuries) due to automobile accidents, we really need to be spending more tax dollars on airline safety. /satire/

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Old 04-13-2008, 10:28 PM   #24
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Lets see how is a MILITARY pension a fruit of capitalism?

People like you are the IS got mines and screw the rest of ya.

Sorry its not that simple.
Yes, it *is* that simple.

I decided to stay in the the private sector. I could have gone govt/military and got that pension. But for me, the 'price' was not worth it. But people are and were free to make that choice.

So, the free market (capitalism) is at work.


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You know safety is a relative term. Airline travel is ridiculously safe and getting safer. It is at least 20 times safer to take 500 mile flight by air than drive. I'd wager that the FAA action probably killed a person or two, who switched from flying to driving and had an accident, especially because the people who rented cars were probably tired and pissed off.
Why do you think we have safe air travel? The only reason those flights were delayed is because the airline delayed the maintenance and let all of the planes' inspection schedules backup.

The delay is the airlines fault... they should have stuck with the inspection schedules. They could have likely done a few planes at a time stretched over time.

It would be irritating to be delayed on a flight... but not near as irritating as having an unsafe fleet.

Here is a situation:

You get to be the FAA and a Passenger and you get to decide. Let's change the way it played out a little:

The FAA indicates that these airplanes need inspection and the airlines are not adhering to the inspection program (i.e., safety... in a proactive way). The inspections are way over due. They elaborate a little and say that the fuselage inspection is very important because very small crack can develop in the fuselage due to the extreme stresses in flight. A failure could cause a serious problem.

You have two choices as the FAA:

1) Order the inspection of the overdue aircraft immediately
2) Tell the airline to get to it as soon as they can.

Suppose the FAA chose number 2

[First off there would be a large public outcry that the FAA was not doing their job.]

Now lets say you are a passenger and you find that you have paid the price for the ticket and expect the airline to be safe... lets face it you are paying for the safe flight. But have 2 choices:

1) Fly on a plane that has not been inspected
2) Wait for the plane that has been inspected (which could be months until the airline gets around to it).


Personally, I would rather have the aircraft inspected. But then again, I worked in aviation in the military and have seen aircraft crash from stress fractures. attended the memorial ceremonies of buddies that were killed. Knew a few that luckily survived.

It is a serious business and much can go wrong. Are you ready to fly on aircraft that are overdue on safety inspections?
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Old 04-14-2008, 09:30 AM   #26
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Lets see how is a MILITARY pension a fruit of capitalism?

People like you are the IS got mines and screw the rest of ya.

Sorry its not that simple.
Who is talking about pensions? Listen, there are tons of forums for people who don't like capitalism, I'm sure they would love to have you.
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Chinaco,
Well, as you'll appreciate, the situation isn't black and white (safe/unsafe planes). You've certainly flown in or work on planes with numerous "delayed discrepancies," and these were deemed "safe enough" at least for limited profiles.
There's no perfectly safe airplane, and designers make a lot of trade-offs in the design process. Making one system safer can lead to the overall aircraft becoming less safe. Also, as an extension of clifp's comment, the reduced cost of airline tickets (compared to the days of airline regulation by the feds) has undoubtedly saved thousands of lives. When tickets are less expensive, people will fly rather than drive, and this saves lives. Efficient maintenance schedules (read "cutting mx to minimum safe level") is part of the equation in keeping ticket prices low. Yes, I'm totally in favor of a strong FAA that enforces regulations and keeps the airlines safe.

But the question you pose ("which airplane would you take") brings up another option: Make the safety issue a more explicit factor in the overall consumer decision process. Crashes and accidents probably wouldn't be a good metric (too infrequent, and the airlines serve different areas, some with inherently riskier airfields/weather). At least as far as fleet safety goes, maybe the FAA could publish a "grade" that lets people know how healthy a particular airline's fleet is. Heck, maybe the FAA could follow with some type of aircrew competency metric based on no-notice FAA checkrides/emergency procedure simulator checkrides. This might result in the airlines hiring guys with a few more hours under their belt, rather than the cheapest pilots they can get. Maybe folks would be willing to pay more to be on an airline that puts aircrew and maintenance excellence high on their list--and in today's environment, airlines would do anything to give themselves a competitive advantage.

Meeting today's min standard= "D". Going above and beyond to increase crew proficiency, upgrade the fleet to more modern/safer jets, investing in pro-active inspections ahead of schedule, flying with fewer delayed discrepancies= higher grades.

If they could get $25 extra per ticket from passengers convinced they were getting on a first-rate airline, some of these carriers would now be in the black. Right now, consumers have no way to know which crews and fleets are in the best shape.
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Regarding the OP, maybe they just like being prodded...
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