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Old 12-07-2010, 04:28 PM   #121
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If I never wrote a word yet said I am a journalist could I be proven wrong?
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:41 PM   #122
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He's a journalist. He's committed no crimes in releasing classified information given to him.

New York Times Co. v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That the US is ignoring a Supreme Court decision is not really a surprise; I assume it expects a 40 year precedent will be overturned with the current court.

As for those who want to throw him in prison or execute him posthaste, Freedom of Speech (and Freedom of the Press) is not for those who agree with you.
Oh, they're just anticipating the SHIELD Act. It's just a little tiny tweak to the Espionage Act to make it illegal to publish information on the identity of classified sources or informants, or any information concerning human intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government. (Yeah, kids, you heard right. Rat out a North Korean spook and go to jail.)

Leaking this sort of information is already a crime under the Espionage Act. This is aimed at shutting down publishers, like that pesky New York Times that eridanus mentioned, or of course Wikileaks, should we find a way to put it under US jurisdiction.

While I applaud the enthusiasm of those who have suggested various rather immediate remedies for Mr. Assange and his source, I would still prefer to see the US act under the rule of law. That's just me, though. I'm not a big fan of putting the comfort and convenience of The State over the rights of individuals.
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In regards to access to confidential data.

Readily available data sharing and e-mail systems such as the one my Megacorp used have excellent and easy to implement 64-bit encryption tools. Properly implemented, even the highest level system administrators don't have the encryption keys to databases of sensitive information. Servers and system administrators don't need the keys to backup and otherwise manage the encrypted databases (they can read all the 1's and 0's but cannot decrypt them into anyting meaningful). Of course, collusion among individuals is always possible no matter how the segregation of duties is organized.

For those who are interested I'll give a brief example from my IT business background. Some senior executives need to share data on mergers and aquisitions (MA). Very sensitive information, dangers of insider trading etc, should the information get out.

IT developers have full rights to all databases they create on development servers but no rights to databases on the production servers. A member of the MA team requests an encrypted database and is given the instructions to create an encrytion key. (It is a simple, 1 minute task to create a key and give it a name - all keys you create are held within your id file that is stored on your laptop and is password protected. That key is e-mailed to a developer without the ability for him to forward it to anyone else. The MA guy also sends copies of the key to everyone else that needs access, and he is told to send copies that to trusted individuals that have the right to forward the key - these are his back-up personnel.

The IT developer then uses the key to encrypt a database on the development server and, after testing, requests that the database be deployed onto a production server. The access control list (ACL) for the server is set up by the server admins as per instructions from the MA team data owner. The ACL is very transparent to the MA team so they can see that the IT developer is not listed. Other IT folks are the server admins, but they do not have the key to read the data and cannot be given the key by anyone within the IT department.

Note - If you forget the password to your id file, no-one has the ability to reset it. The IT admins can create a new id file and send it to you, but you cannot access anything that is encrypted including any e-mail that you encrypted. To access the databases that are encrypted you need to have those database owners send you the keys. You can see the subject lines and distribution on all your encrypted e-mail but not the content, therefore you will need to request that people who sent you the e-mail will need to send you a new copy.
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That the US is ignoring a Supreme Court decision is not really a surprise;
The whole country is ignoring a Supreme Court decision? How does that happen? Or were you just using "US" to refer to the present administration and a few elected representatives?
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Helping Wikileaks

So, Wikileaks is asking everyone to donate funds to help them. Poor guys. I"m wondering if there would be anything illegal about writing them a note expressing my support for their work and indicating how much I'd like to help. Like maybe send them this note on one of the old checks I've got left over from a long-closed checking account. Fill in my gift of karmic support, and an illegible signature of a Disney character. Is it illegal to write a bogus check for a contribution for which you receive nothing in return?
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Evertime I see the thread title I laugh-"Wikileaks-Your Thoughts-No Politics."

Hello? That is like "write a 50 word paragraph- no words". What could thoughts about this possibly be other than politics
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What could thoughts about this possibly be other than politics
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It does not surprise me that sitting in your chair in Canada or Mexico you can not see real harm in what has been done. However, if you were in Afghanistan, trying to negotiate with a local war lord, you might have a different view.
You might want to check who has done most a lot of the fighting in Afghanistan? Hint: it isn't Mexico.
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That's what he said.
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Old 12-07-2010, 09:57 PM   #130
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He's a journalist. He's committed no crimes in releasing classified information given to him.

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That the US is ignoring a Supreme Court decision is not really a surprise; I assume it expects a 40 year precedent will be overturned with the current court.

As for those who want to throw him in prison or execute him posthaste, Freedom of Speech (and Freedom of the Press) is not for those who agree with you.
Agreed. Let's see, he obtained the info from a leaker in the military, he tried to talk to the US government about what was safe to release (they wouldn't work with him), he worked with the NY Times for months, redacting names. Sounds like a fair amount of due diligence to me. Now it's a witch hunt for him. I think it's just his cocky attitude. If this had been NBC news nobody would be hunting down the head of NBC to put him in jail.
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. If this had been NBC news nobody would be hunting down the head of NBC to put him in jail.
If a Swedish court had issued an arrest warrant for the head of NBC News because he was suspected of committing rape, then I think he'd be arrested, too. Just like Assange.
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I'm trying not to have an opinion on this and reserve judgment. It is interesting how the various reactions reflect various stages of moral development on the nation-scale. (This development may not necessarily be reflective on its development on the personal scale, e.g. a person may think himself equal to other citizens but his nation different from other nations.)

Here's an overview of the Kohlberg stages.

I think the main reason I try not to get involved in this case is that it's practically impossible to argue a point across differing stages.

For this case, I think it would help a lot to identify a) your own stage and b) the stage of whoever you're discussing it with.
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For this case, I think it would help a lot to identify a) your own stage and b) the stage of whoever you're discussing it with.
I'm at level 7--looking down my nose at Kohlberg for not recognizing my most superior development in his silly little construct.
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I'm at level 7--looking down my nose at Kohlberg for not recognizing my most superior development in his silly little construct.
This hardly seems a silly little theory. An eminent psychologist like Kohlberg might have something useful to say, although this is clearly closer to philosopy than experimental psychology. Not necessarily a bad thing.

Interesting that stage 6 in some ways corresponds to Kant's Categorical Imperitive.

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All of us at level 7 ("Heptites") believe the construct to be silly. Others at lower levels may consider Kohlberg important.

It's an exclusive club. But not judgemental.
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All of us at level 7 ("Heptites") believe the construct to be silly. Others at lower levels may consider Kohlberg important.

It's an exclusive club. But not judgemental.
Hrmph. The Master Elect of the Nine might not be in agreement with that. Best check with the Knight of the East.
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I'm a six, but I think everyone else is a 2. So I'm really a 2. But I really really want to be a six.
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Most amazing thing ever! The pioneers crossed the U.S., but that's not it, their children did it with out the aid of a psychologist or a psychiatrist!
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Scott Adams rides again:
"But things didn't turn out as Assange hoped. The unintended consequence of his actions is that he managed to make Sweden look like a country that's governed by congenital idiots and populated with nothing but crazy sluts and lawyers. And don't get me started about the quality of their condoms. To be fair, I don't know if Assange's alleged broken condom is because the product was defective. We have good evidence that Assange has the world's biggest set of nuts, so assuming some degree of proportionality, he'd put a strain on any brand of condom that didn't have rebar ribs. (...) If you haven't read any background about the so-called rape charges against Assange, you really should. Apparently Swedish laws are unique. If you have a penis, you're half a rapist before you even get through customs. And if your condom breaks, that's jail time. What I'm saying is that the Club Med in Sweden is a nervous place."

He then tries to make up his mind about Assange and ends his post with a prediction.
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Even Glenn Beck thinks the charges are suspicious.

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