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So, where did the 88,000 people come from? The oil sands workers in the camps were never counted in the census because they were transients. This resulted in the province not funding infrastructure to support the true population burden.

I have first-hand knowledge. I worked in Ft. Mac.

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So, where did the 88,000 people come from?

I have first-hand knowledge. I worked in Ft. Mac.
Must have been a while ago. Look at the Demographics tab and the Municipal Census. Fort Mac was a boomtown until the price of oil tanked.

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A retired forest ranger told me that man does not put out forest fires, weather does. The US Forest Service spends all its budget in the high-profile and politically correct but useless effort to fight fires, he says.

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Actually the major efforts relate to protecting human structures from the fires. This is both direct fire fighting near the structures and trying to persuade the fire to go where humans have not built things. As long as the fire is not a threat to structures and settlements in Canada at least it is left to burn (they don't have the fire fighting resources the US has, as well as having a lot unsettled spaces.)
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Before and after satellite images:

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A retired forest ranger told me that man does not put out forest fires, weather does. The US Forest Service spends all its budget in the high-profile and politically correct but useless effort to fight fires, he says.

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Agree. They are now saying this fire will burn for months. Looks to me like it has now burned past Fort Mac and is unlikely to cause much more damage to man made structures. Current efforts seem to be in putting out "hot spots" in town so that damage can be assessed and people can start to return. This will very likely be the most costly natural disaster in Canada's history. Maybe approaching $10 billion if the media hasn't exaggerated too much.

Insurance co's and banks will be taking very large provisions, no doubt.
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Arizona is a state! It's New Mexico that's a country...
That would seem to be the case except that their vehicle plates say New Mexico USA to not confuse the natives...

Did you notice that the smoke from the fire has made it all the way to Florida!
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I am constantly surprised and disappointed in the lack of international awareness displayed by Americans.
Well, yeah, but you have to give us credit for being exceptionally alert to possible threats:

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I saw a map in Friday's WSJ of the affected areas. It appears that three of the four places I stayed are ashes now.

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Agree. They are now saying this fire will burn for months. Looks to me like it has now burned past Fort Mac and is unlikely to cause much more damage to man made structures. Current efforts seem to be in putting out "hot spots" in town so that damage can be assessed and people can start to return. This will very likely be the most costly natural disaster in Canada's history. Maybe approaching $10 billion if the media hasn't exaggerated too much.

Insurance co's and banks will be taking very large provisions, no doubt.
This may be misleading. Real estate up there was wildly overpriced when I was there. And if lost timber acreage is included, I would be sceptical. The trees up there are the saddest excuse for trees I have ever seen. It is a mystery why the greenies wanted to protect the 'arboreal forest' from the evil 'tar sands' industry. Now they won't have to, I suppose.

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Must have been a while ago. Look at the Demographics tab and the Municipal Census. Fort Mac was a boomtown until the price of oil tanked.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_McMurray
Yeah, I was there about 10 years ago, but reading that link, it looks like it was still growing even after oil tanked. It appears that the government may have started to include the 'shadow' population into the census, but either way, Ft Mac was still growing.

I am amazed that the fire jumped the Athabasca River. It looks like the golf course is gone, too.

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I am amazed that the fire jumped the Athabasca River. It looks like the golf course is gone, too.
This video shows burnt earth on both sides of the river.

Video: Helicopter flyover shows scale of destruction in Fort McMurray - The Globe and Mail
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For some reason, many Americans dislike the arrogant, "we're better than you" attitudes of some wealthy Canadians visiting Sunbelt areas. I guess we all need to get along.........
When Americans act in such a manner abroad, people of other nationalities feel the same way. We all need humility and respect for one another.
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This may be misleading. Real estate up there was wildly overpriced when I was there. And if lost timber acreage is included, I would be sceptical. The trees up there are the saddest excuse for trees I have ever seen. It is a mystery why the greenies wanted to protect the 'arboreal forest' from the evil 'tar sands' industry. Now they won't have to, I suppose.

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Agree. I was thinking of insured assets. Agree the forest isn't much to look at nor worth much. Doubt it would be insured by anyone. I am a little concerned as my portfolio includes a heavy weighting in banks that operate large P&C insurance businesses.
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Correction: 'boreal forest'.

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Correction: 'boreal forest'.
There is an island in Lac La Biche that has preserved the flora and fauna during previous wild fires (Sir Winston Churchill Park) and it is just like the rockies (e.g. 150 foot lodgepole pines). Like a glimpse into the past!
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