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Old 11-25-2015, 08:42 PM   #241
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Had a strange thing happen with by upgraded laptop tonight. I removed it from its docking station and carried it into the living room. When I opened the screen up fully (it hadn't been completely closed) the screen content and mouse motion was upside down. I'm thinking that somehow Windows 10 thought the laptop was a tablet and tried to orient the screen based on the orientation of the laptop. I'm pretty sure the laptop doesn't have any accelerometers, though.

A power cycle fixed the problem.
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Old 11-25-2015, 10:33 PM   #242
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Had a strange thing happen with by upgraded laptop tonight. I removed it from its docking station and carried it into the living room. When I opened the screen up fully (it hadn't been completely closed) the screen content and mouse motion was upside down. I'm thinking that somehow Windows 10 thought the laptop was a tablet and tried to orient the screen based on the orientation of the laptop. I'm pretty sure the laptop doesn't have any accelerometers, though.

A power cycle fixed the problem.
If you click on the windows icon in the lower left corner, select "Settings", then select "System", then select "Display", there is a screen orientation choice. You have a choice between Landscape, Landscape flipped, Portrait, or Portrait flipped.

I'm not sure where the orientation lock is; you might have to click on "Tablet Mode" (just below "Display") to lock it out of tablet mode, or something like that.

Hope this helps. I haven't ever had this happen with mine yet.
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Old 11-25-2015, 10:38 PM   #243
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I like it! Good marketing. "Threshold" doesn't mean anything, whereas "Service Pack" has come to mean "fixing a bunch of screw ups, while introducing many others." Somebody got a bonus for that one, I'm sure.
You are so right! What a stroke of genius - - his kid's college is paid for.
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Old 11-26-2015, 08:34 AM   #244
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Okay, I updated the desktop computer and found my first serious incompatibility with Windows 10. I have a Logitech WiLife security camera that is not supported. The camera system is pretty old and I'd like to consider updating it to something more modern. Hope it isn't too far off topic to ask for suggestions here. I'm not looking for anything very sophisticated, just something that would record video and send an alert when the camera detects motion.
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I've been waiting for this TH2 release. I didn't know it would be called that, rather, MS always does this.

So I was researching and found that for a while last week, you could create media that had the TH2 changes embedded, then MS suddenly yanked it a week ago. But it is now back. So, the method I want to use is to create media (MCT) and do a clean install with all the changes in place, thus avoiding a large extra download and settings reset.

Sounds like a good project to do over the holidays.
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The more I use Win 10 the better I like it. The one and only problem that I had was having to get a new version of Norton Internet Security immediately after the Windows 10 install. I have a 3 year old Toshiba L7750-57305 laptop with AMD processor.
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Finally got the 1511 10586 update. Only took about 2 hours with all the reboots and wait screens.

Now back to my other OS, where an update takes a minute.
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I upgraded my notebook and desktop to Win10 this week. So far, aside from a couple of issues, its working fine.

I had to upgrade my BIOS on my desktop to enable sleep again. And, on my notebook, to fix a microphone issue, I had to delete the audio device from device manager and let the system find it on rescan.

I went through device manager and methodically upgraded all drivers. I think that helps a lot with random issues.

Since I work from the desktop, I'm not seeing a lot of difference.
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Last week I spent about 6 hours trying to upgrade my 2013 Dell XPS13 laptop to W10, and then finally gave up. During the initial installation I was notified of an incompatibility between W10 and the touchpad software, and was asked if the installation may uninstall the incompatible software. I gave my permission, and the uninstallation proceeded, followed by a request to reboot to complete the uninstallation. Okay. This reboot apparently killed the W10 installation, though, so I had to start over. And for whatever reason, the W10 installer didn't remember that it had already downloaded the W10 install files, so it downloaded W10 again before proceeding. This time the W10 installation identifies the same touchpad software incompatibility, but tells me that I must uninstall the software manually. So I do uninstall it manually (I thought it was uninstalled earlier when I rebooted?), reboot, and start the W10 installation again. First download the W10 installation files again, and then run into the same touchpad incompatibility message. This time there is no touchpad software installed any more that I can uninstall. I tried to click okay at this dialog box, and the same dialog box came up again...over and over. Then I tried to cancel out of the dialog box and the whole W10 installation terminated. I tried looking for some remnant of the incompatible software to uninstall, but could find nothing.

At that stage I was stuck. I couldn't proceed without uninstalling some software, but there was no software for me to uninstall. And each time I would try something new, I had to wait 45 minutes for the installer to download the W10 install files again. So I gave up and decided that W7 works just fine.
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Last week I spent about 6 hours trying to upgrade my 2013 Dell XPS13 laptop to W10, and then finally gave up. During the initial installation I was notified of an incompatibility between W10 and the touchpad software, and was asked if the installation may uninstall the incompatible software. I gave my permission, and the uninstallation proceeded, followed by a request to reboot to complete the uninstallation. Okay. This reboot apparently killed the W10 installation, though, so I had to start over. And for whatever reason, the W10 installer didn't remember that it had already downloaded the W10 install files, so it downloaded W10 again before proceeding. This time the W10 installation identifies the same touchpad software incompatibility, but tells me that I must uninstall the software manually. So I do uninstall it manually (I thought it was uninstalled earlier when I rebooted?), reboot, and start the W10 installation again. First download the W10 installation files again, and then run into the same touchpad incompatibility message. This time there is no touchpad software installed any more that I can uninstall. I tried to click okay at this dialog box, and the same dialog box came up again...over and over. Then I tried to cancel out of the dialog box and the whole W10 installation terminated. I tried looking for some remnant of the incompatible software to uninstall, but could find nothing.

At that stage I was stuck. I couldn't proceed without uninstalling some software, but there was no software for me to uninstall. And each time I would try something new, I had to wait 45 minutes for the installer to download the W10 install files again. So I gave up and decided that W7 works just fine.
I hope rolling back to Win 7 went OK? I tried Win 10 and preferred 7 and rolled back. Win 7 will be be supported for 5 more years.
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I hope rolling back to Win 7 went OK? I tried Win 10 and preferred 7 and rolled back. Win 7 will be be supported for 5 more years.
The installation never really started, so I didn't even have to roll back. I just got dumped back into Win7 because the Win10 installation wouldn't proceed. If Win 7 will be supported for 5 more years, I'm good to go. The laptop is already having issues, so I'm sure it won't last another 5 years.
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Last week I spent about 6 hours trying to upgrade my 2013 Dell XPS13 laptop to W10, and then finally gave up.
I had the same experience--rebooting and was unable to install. I don't know how many times I went through the process of reinstalling. I finally had to delete files to make sure the system drive had enough available space. I made sure it had more avail space than the recommendation. I think for a 64 bit, you need at least 2 GB ram and 20 GB of HD space. I made sure I had more than the min and it finally installed. Try it. I definitely recommend Windows 10 and preferably with a Samsung SSD. Loads in 15 seconds. Make the original HHD as an external using USB 3 if your laptop or desktop has it. Buy a hard drive enclosure with USB 3. Good luck!
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Thanks for the advice and encouagement. I have 8gb of ram with a 256gb ssd that is half empty. I'll hunt for the offending Cypress TouchPad files and try installing again this weekend.

The ssd is great! Win7 loads in 12 seconds every time!
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Someone mentioned RDP earlier. Windows 10 does it very well. No lagging whatsoever. I also recommend MS wireless adapter. I bring up streaming movies using KODI on my laptop and project it using the wireless adapter. SWEET! Very smooth.

To control all your devices, get a big rubber band or a lanyard and hang all your handheld controls on it around your neck. Better yet, get a Logitech Harmony. I use the Harmony Keyboard which I got at 50% discount and the Harmony mobile app to control everything including the laptop if I want to. You can also customize the keyboard buttons. I have a laptop, ps3, cctv, desktop, soundbar, roku along with the MS wireless adapter connected (works only on wireless 2.4 ghz from the laptop) to the LCD TV--all controlled by Harmony keyboard and the Harmony app. I love the setup.
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Last week I spent about 6 hours trying to upgrade my 2013 Dell XPS13 laptop to W10, and then finally gave up.
I went to my account support at Dell and logged in. When I selected my current computer this message appeared at the top of the page:
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Product not tested for Windows 10 upgrade

Dell is not testing or developing Windows 10 drivers for this product. If you choose to upgrade, some features, applications, and connected devices may not work as expected.
See a list of tested products
It doesn't say there will be a problem, it seems to say that it is up to the owner to track down replacement drivers if they upgrade and have a problem, be they Microsoft or manufacturer. It provided the final nail in a upgrade to 10 for me. (I have a 2013 Inspiron M5040.)

Meanwhile Microsoft keeps massively updating my Windows 7 computer rendering my computer more and more unusable.

This is what I found on XPS's. I was logged in but I imagine the link above to tested products works without a login.

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XPS Desktop

The table below lists Dell XPS desktop computers that have been tested for upgrade to Windows 10. If your computer model is not listed, Dell is not testing the device, drivers have not been updated for that model, and Dell does not recommended an upgrade to Windows 10. If you wish to proceed with an upgrade to Windows 10 on an untested system, Microsoft provides information and support for upgrade through their upgrade website.
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XPS 18 1810
XPS 18 1820
XPS 8700
XPS 2720 One


XPS Notebook

The table below lists Dell XPS notebook computers that have been tested for upgrade to Windows 10. If your computer model is not listed, Dell is not testing the device, drivers have not been updated for that model, and Dell does not recommended an upgrade to Windows 10. If you wish to proceed with an upgrade to Windows 10 on an untested system, Microsoft provides information and support for upgrade through their upgrade website.
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XPS Duo 11 (9P33)
XPS Duo 12 (L221x, 9Q23)
XPS 12 (9Q33)
XPS 13 L321X
XPS 13 L322X
XPS 13 9333 *
XPS 13 9343
XPS 14 (L421x)
XPS 15 (L521x)
XPS 15 9530
Computer models marked with a (*) are not supported for upgrade to Windows 10 if the current operating system is 32-bit. To determine your operating system version, refer to Microsoft Knowledge Base article, "How to determine whether a computer is running a 32-bit version or 64-bit version of the Windows operating system"
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So I used to love Dell, but not anymore. I had similar issues with weird incompatibilities in past years, working with devices, etc. They take standard components and drivers and tweak them just enough to be weird.
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I have a 2013 Inspiron M5040.
Manufacturer doesn't recommend upgrade maybe because it's an AMD CPU with an Intel chipset. The upgrade allows you to revert back to Windows 7, I'm pretty sure. If you're not sure, create a backup image or use the backup disks they gave you if you still have them.

Upgrade and Windows 10 will tell whether it can complete the process or not. If it does, then you'd have to deal with drivers at that point. W10 device manager will tell you if you have any errors and hopefully it isn't a network driver so that you can at least access internet and find solution from there.
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TADPOLE... Here's a guy that upgraded to W10 with the same model M5040. He's having other issues, but at least he was able to upgrade.

Windows 10 update KB3105213 - Microsoft Community
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Thanks, I'll look into it.
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WRT Win 10, here's another privacy situation to look at if you're interested in trying to keep your personal data corralled - Sneaky Microsoft renamed its data slurper before sticking it back in Windows 10 • The Register

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The data that DiagTrack collected was typical of a spyware programme. The only way you knew you were being monitored was by eyeballing the list of running processes in Task Manager. As Microsoft explained: Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage. Users thought it had disappeared in recent Windows 10 builds - but it hadn't. Microsoft had simply renamed it. The sinister-sounding tracking app was now the beatific and caring "Connected User Experiences and Telemetry Service". Once again, it needs to be disabled manually (this time through the Services control panel). "It is this kind of overriding desire for control and a disregard for user choices which is harming Windows 10,"
says Forbes journo Gordon Kelly, and he's right.
Also, since the topic drifted to Dell computers, here's one for you - After Lenovo now Dell PCs and Laptops are shipping with rogue root level CA » TechWorm

At least Dell admitted their problem - Dell apologizes for HTTPS certificate fiasco, provides removal tool | Ars Technica
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