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Old 02-20-2006, 01:44 PM   #21
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Why don't you just asked the neighbor if you can use their connection when your's goes down? I let my neighbors and friends on my network. (We used to split the bill before I moved.) I wouldn't feel bad about using an open access point in a crunch. Just make sure that you are running a firewall and don't have important information on folders you are sharing. Windows XP Home sharing capabilities are very limited, so if you are sharing files on a home network, you'll be sharing them on your neighbor's too. If you share, it's a good idea to setup your firewall to only allow access from the computers on your network.

One risk of leaving your own access point open is that someone uses your bandwidth (IP address) for illegal activity.
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Re: Wireless connection--am I bad?
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Why don't you just asked the neighbor if you can use their connection when your's goes down?
Be nice to ask, but I don't have a clue who he is.
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Old 02-20-2006, 02:09 PM   #23
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How far out of my house with a G ROUTER WILL THE signal be able to be picked up and does the router (linsky) have a built in firewall. My friend just hooked this up for me. As you can tell, I don't have a clue, however this is working great and I look foward to having use of this on our motorhome trips. If anyone can tell me for security reasons what I should have, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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There is someone in our neighborhood with an unsecure wireless connection so I am connecting through him.* Very fast.* It is great.* I have done this a few times now.* My questions:

--Is this morally wrong?* Am I somehow hurting this guy?

--Am I exposing* myself to hackers or otherwise putting my computer at risk?* I am not doing anything important, just surfing around the internet.* No online banking or anything.
I think it is a moral grey area... you are reducing his bandwidth, but if you are primarily going to text-based sites like this one it's probably negligible. *If you start watching videos or doing big file downloads, then it becomes more onerous.

I wouldn't worry about online banking or using your passwords; that is totally encrypted anyway. *

I share a WEP encrypted wifi connection with my neighbor and we split the monthly costs. *I think it's a great way to save money. *If he were technically savvy and nosy he could peek at what sites I go to. *In fact anyone within range of the signal could. *He can't get my passwords, but could theoretically intercept my emails or anything that appears in text or graphic format in my web browswer. * On a practical level it would be so difficult and time consuming that it wouldn't really be worth it. * The idea that anyone would be so interested in my online life is more flattering than threatening.

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Old 02-20-2006, 02:44 PM   #25
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I agree with fireme.

Actually, if you closely read your user agreement with your service provider, you will see that sharing bandwidth across households is prohibited in the contract. It is not inherently illegal -- a service provider could decide to allow this.

There are a couple of coffee shops around here, etc., that let anyone log on for free. I always wondered if they were breaking their agreement, or if they pay more to the service provider . . .

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How far out of my house with a G ROUTER WILL THE signal be able to be picked up and does the router (linsky) have a built in firewall. My friend just hooked this up for me. As you can tell, I don't have a clue, however this is working great and I look foward to having use of this on our motorhome trips. If anyone can tell me for security reasons what I should have, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
If it's the typical WR54G type linksys router it will have a good built-in firewall. FOr secuirity you should change the administration password to something that's a reasonably good password (no dictionary words, numbers, and characters), then enable WPA encryption. You should be able to access the configuration settings for the router by entering the IP address 192.168.1.0 in the address bar of your web browser. You might need to ask your friend for the password. I thinkl the default password is blank. If you need help w/ setting up WPA check the manual first.
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Old 02-20-2006, 06:44 PM   #27
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Yes I am, with or without my pants on.

Jerry...about 100-1500 feet, depending on the router, how you've placed it, and the construction of the homes and other obstructions. If you mounted it on top of the peak of your roof, flat area, no trees, etc and have a very good router, maybe you get into the vicinity of 'seeing' it from 1500 feet away. On a desk or a shelf with a few walls, thick home construction, lots of trees, hilly area...you might have trouble picking it up from the street.

Take your laptop and start walking away with it. See where you lose the signal. Thats how far it can be picked up with your laptop. Some machines can be equipped with extra sensitive cards and a big "stick" antenna, and can pick up a signal from further.

Martha...to find out "who" owns the AP, either your laptops included software or freebie downloadable software you can detect signal strength and frequently distance. My new toshiba shows a radar/sonar type screen that shows how far away any available AP's are. Basically walk out the door and keep going until you're standing in front of someones house with the strongest signal level.

Fireme, Kramer: using someone elses AP without their permission may be morally gray, but its legally red. In many states this is considered illegally accessing a computer network. While the user has not taken actions to secure it, one also can leave their front door unlocked and have a reasonable expectation that someone wont come in and use their stuff. In some states you have to have made an attempt to secure the AP and the hacker has to have used extraordinary methods to gain access. In others, there is no hard law or precedent. In some states, it might land you in jail.

The other end of this is that if you do something illegal (say viewing kiddie porn) using the guys open AP (or if someone does it using YOUR open AP), its all you baby. The cops will come to your door and unless you can make a pretty good case for proof on it being some 'mystery' outside user you cant identify or name, buh bye.
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Fuzzy, that is a good point about sharing w/o permission -- I actually did not know there was such a law for a wireless unsecured network emanating outside of the property. I was thinking of the fireme share it with your neighbor scenario, which is technically a contract violation. Also, liability issues for sharing even when you and neighbor agree to everything are something to consider.

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Old 02-24-2006, 04:59 PM   #29
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Thanks guys ,Sorry to take so long to reply. Kids have been home all week and people have been coming and going all day. I have another problem with main computer that I'm sure one of you guys would be able to fix in no time but I'll wait for my cousin to look at it. Thanks again for the reply. P.s. CFB what happened to your pic. :
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Sorry dude...hot babes were replaced by an adorable bulldog picture.

Dont worry...I have something in the works, along with another name change...

I do miss the Grand Banks name though...that was my favorite so far.
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I'd go back to Grand Banks if I were you. Since Grand Banks boats are made by American Marine, there's a patriotic flavor.

Of course, "Grand Banks" refers to a geological formation and fishing waters off the coast of Newfoundland Canada, and American Marine is based in Singapore, but so what?
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I just liked the part where they made Dory's

Plus its a cool name...
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So now I check every other day to make sure my pants aren't down.
Okay, I'm way late to this party, but if you'll set up a webcam the rest of us can check for you on the between days.

Oh, nevermind, I just hacked into your router again and can set it up for you...

(you know I'm kidding, right?)
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