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Old 06-18-2014, 03:59 PM   #61
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Can someone please explain to a person who is (obviously) not knowledgeable about sports, just what is going on with a tie between Mexico & Brazil? I thought all sports had some mechanism to break a tie. Don't they go into overtime, or have shots on goal, or flip a coin or arm-wrestle or something?

And what does that mean to the rest of the series? Who moves forward, Brasil or Mexico?

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The tournament operates on a points system.

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Yes, at this point each team plays all three of the other teams in their four team group. Also, they get 3 points for a win, one point for a tie and zero for a loss. They add up the points and the two top teams go on to the next round. If there is a tie in points then they look at total points for and against, etc.
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Yes, at this point each team plays all three of the other teams in their four team group. Also, they get 3 points for a win, one point for a tie and zero for a loss. They add up the points and the two top teams go on to the next round. If there is a tie in points then they look at total points for and against, etc.
Exactly, which is why it is good to win by as many goals as possible so that you have a better goal difference should you end up tied on points.

After the group stages then it is a single game elimination. If tied at the end of 90 minutes they play an extra 30 minutes, and if still a tie have a penalty shoot-out to decide the winner.
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Thanks for the tie info.

So is this just how they do it during playoffs (add up points)? In a regular match, they would not finish with a tie, would they? How do they break the tie in those cases?

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Well, the king is dead. What a match. Spain is out of the tournament.

I remember Michael Jordan once saying, after the Bulls had become champs, that for them every game was just another game, but for every opponent, the same game was a chance to beat the champ. It took more mental toughness to remain as champs than it took to get there.
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Can someone please explain to a person who is (obviously) not knowledgeable about sports, just what is going on with a tie between Mexico & Brazil? I thought all sports had some mechanism to break a tie. Don't they go into overtime, or have shots on goal, or flip a coin or arm-wrestle or something?

And what does that mean to the rest of the series? Who moves forward, Brasil or Mexico?

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Two teams in each group of 4 move to the next round (final 16, knockout format). Tie breaker is not needed for a match in group play. But there are tie breakers when teams have identical record for moving to the final 16.

In knockout stage, there are tie breakers (sudden death extra time, and then penalty shootout).
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Well, the king is dead. What a match. Spain is out of the tournament.
Easily, shocker of the decade! Spain is the top ranked team, and held that title for many years. They won the last tournament.

It's like USA basketball dream team failing to win an Olympic medal, Tiger Wood losing 4 stroke lead on Sunday to lose a major, Mike Tyson's loss to Douglas, ....
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Two teams in each group of 4 move to the next round (final 16, knockout format). Tie breaker is not needed for a match in group play. But there are tie breakers when teams have identical record for moving to the final 16.

In knockout stage, there are tie breakers (sudden death extra time, and then penalty shootout).
They don't do sudden death extra time. Tried it one World Cup then went back to a full 15 minutes each way so if a team concedes a goal they can still equalize.
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Spain are reigning World and European Cup holders, first country ever to achieve that. They had to lose their crown at some point but I'm sure they hate losing it like this.

But it happens, reigning champs Brazil, with Pele, failed to get out of the group stages in 1966.
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They don't do sudden death extra time. Tried it one World Cup then went back to a full 15 minutes each way so if a team concedes a goal they can still equalize.
Thanks, Alan. I stand corrected. I think my preference to sudden death extra time format came out in my earlier post.
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Thanks, Alan. I stand corrected. I think my preference to sudden death extra time format came out in my earlier post.
No worries. I think they gave up on sudden death because instead of making the extra time more exciting it made it much worse as the teams played very defensively knowing that one mistake was irretrievable and the games ended up in a penalty shoot out anyway.
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Thanks for the tie info.

So is this just how they do it during playoffs (add up points)? In a regular match, they would not finish with a tie, would they? How do they break the tie in those cases?

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No, league play throughout the world is usually on the same point system. It is only in the later (knockout) stages of tournaments when a winner is required and they go to overtimes and shootouts.
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A humorous article on England wining the title A Writer Imagines What Would Happen if England Actually Won the World Cup «TwistedSifter
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Go England. Game's on! England vs. Uruguay.
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Wow, what a poor defense from England on the last Uruguay's goal! A huge mental mistake by the defender ...
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Wow, what a poor defense from England on the last Uruguay's goal! A huge mental mistake by the defender ...
That seems to happen a lot unfortunately

What a difference it makes to have a proven international goal scorer on your team. Suarez had 3 chances and scored twice. He is a class act.
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That seems to happen a lot unfortunately

What a difference it makes to have a proven international goal scorer on your team. Suarez had 3 chances and scored twice. He is a class act.
Not a fan of Suarez but he made good on his chances and in style.

What is it with England in WC? Has the best league in the world but can't seems to put it together for WC.
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Regretfully, I missed the game - spent the afternoon at the ophthalmologist. Tough spot for England.
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