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Old 07-01-2014, 12:23 PM   #161
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Must meet the citizenship requirements for whatever country you play for, it's not really up to FIFA in that regard.

Where you play professionally means nothing. Half the US team plays in various European leagues.
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I seem to recall that once you play on a national team, you're not allowed to switch to a different team.
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I seem to recall that once you play on a national team, you're not allowed to switch to a different team.
You are allowed a one-time switch under certain circumstances, but generally if you've played for someone in the World Cup, that's who you go with for all time.

Here you go - all the rules (some from the FIFA standards, some commentary and note that I wrong about the citizenship standards above):

According to Article 16, a player may represent more than one Association in an international match so long as that player, in addition to having the relevant nationality, fulfils at least one of the following conditions:

• His birth is in the territory of the relevant Association;
• Either his biological mother or father was born in the territory of the Association;
• Either his grandmother or grandfather were born in the territory of the Association; or
• The player has lived continuously in the territory of the Association for at least two (2) years4.

The two-year commitment was implemented so that players at least had some connection to a particular Association and to prevent certain countries from awarding ‘instant citizenship’ in order to quickly put together a team.

Further, in recognition of modern world migration movements (and the fact that there are some players who might migrate simply for competitive advantage, FIFA’s regulations also contemplate a situation in which a player obtains a new nationality under specific circumstances.

Under Article 17, a player who assumes a new nationality and who has not already participated in a match for another Association, is eligible to play for a new Association so long as he satisfies one of the following conditions:
• He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
• His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
• His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association; or
• He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.

One purpose of the last requirement was to prevent the exploitation of young players.

Despite its apparent promotion of player mobility, the FIFA Regulations make clear that a player is not entitled to switch Associations more than once.

Article 18, which was referenced above, states: ‘If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a new nationality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative teams due to nationality, he may, only once, request to change the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another country of which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
• He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition at ‘A’ international level for his current Association, and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition for his current Association, he already had the nationality of the representative team for which he wishes to play.
• He is not permitted to play for his new Association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous Association.’

Even if a player meets these criteria, FIFA requires that any change in Association be requested in ‘a written, substantiated request to the FIFA general secretariat’. FIFA’s Player’s Status Committee will then evaluate that player’s request. In short, there is no guarantee that a player can switch Associations at all.
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Columbia have just scored the best individual goal of the tournament so far (for me). Taking the ball on his chest with his back to goal, swiveling and volleying in off the crossbar from about 25 yards.
Still the best goal To go along with it, today I heard the best announcer's line when Messi missed a similar opportunity: "James did what Messi couldn't do".
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Still the best goal To go along with it, today I heard the best announcer's line when Messi missed a similar opportunity: "James did what Messi couldn't do".
Just finished watching that game, and just like the Germany game yesterday there just seemed to be an inevitability that Argentina were going to grind out a win. The ending was typical, 1 minute from the end of overtime Argentina scores, a minute later a Swiss player heads against the post, the ball rebounds and hits his knee but goes narrowly wide.

However, 2 big upsets in the 2 games I watched at Wimbledon today. When the 19 year old defeated Nadal it was the first time ever in the men's game that a player outside the top 100 defeated the current world #1 in a Grand Slam tournament. Each set went to a tie break apart from the second set which was won by Nadal 7-5, and I, along with everyone else, kept expecting Nadal to step up his game or for the wild-card outsider to lose a little of his edge as the hours rolled by.
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Well, one win in four games does not make a champ. Wait 'till 2018!!!

Howard should get a medal.
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Well, one win in four games does not make a champ. Wait 'till 2018!!!

Howard should get a medal.
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The substitute striker who came on and had a glorious chance in the 93rd minute but blazed the ball over that easy easy chance from 4 or 5 yards will probably wake up in a sweat to that nightmare for many months to come. Scoring then would have put the USA through.

However, it was a thrilling game and I think the USA team have done well overall. Fantastic invention on their free kick with a couple of minutes of time left was only thwarted by an excellent stop by the Belgian keeper.
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You don't have to be human to be a World Cup fan.

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Sorry the USA is out, but I think there us a lot of good futball left
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Landon Donovan. Could have used his creativity. Oh well.
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I learned the outcome from a collective groan from a huge group of people standing outside a bar at O'Hare. We were boarding for my connecting flight so were otherwise occupied.
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Still the best goal To go along with it, today I heard the best announcer's line when Messi missed a similar opportunity: "James did what Messi couldn't do".
Yes that was beautiful. I've deleted all the games from the PVR to this point but I've still got that one for the goal.
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Landon Donovan. Could have used his creativity. Oh well.
We could've used his possession. We had too many guys trying to be creative in very little space.

But the reality is, any run past the round of 16 was probably dependent on Altidore being as good as he is capable. Missing that top flight target striker killed what the offense had been doing.
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We could've used his possession. We had too many guys trying to be creative in very little space.

But the reality is, any run past the round of 16 was probably dependent on Altidore being as good as he is capable. Missing that top flight target striker killed what the offense had been doing.
We may have different interpretations of creative. What I was thinking of was Landon's ability to show for a ball, receive it, and actually do something with it.

It was an incredible game. Howard kept them in it, but they could not keep the ball generally. Belgium was quicker to the ball, and won most of the battles.
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We may have different interpretations of creative. What I was thinking of was Landon's ability to show for a ball, receive it, and actually do something with it.

It was an incredible game. Howard kept them in it, but they could not keep the ball generally. Belgium was quicker to the ball, and won most of the battles.
Yes, I was thinking "creative" like Dempsey is creative. Dempsey played all but about 40 minutes of this tournament out of position, IMO.

Biggest issue I noticed for most of regulation was the difference in first touch by Belgium vs. those by the US. Belgium controlled the ball because they rarely mishit the first touch. The US couldn't settle the ball to save their lives in regulation. It got better later as they seemed to stop thinking about it once they were down 1-0.
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Yes, I was thinking "creative" like Dempsey is creative. Dempsey played all but about 40 minutes of this tournament out of position, IMO.

Biggest issue I noticed for most of regulation was the difference in first touch by Belgium vs. those by the US. Belgium controlled the ball because they rarely mishit the first touch. The US couldn't settle the ball to save their lives in regulation. It got better later as they seemed to stop thinking about it once they were down 1-0.
First touch is so important. Much of the competition has it, and the US seems at times to be high-schoolers. One long ball from the back field. Try to receive the ball and take on every opponent in your path. Lose ball and repeat.

I think the team has gone as far as possible. It was nice to win a game, and see the others end in a competitive way.
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Looking at the teams in pure economic terms the Belgian team players are valued at many millions of $ more than the US team. So it was definitely David v Goliath in those terms. Clint Dempsey for example cost $9.6m when he transferred to Tottenham Hotspurs and became the highest paid US soccer player ever. Altidore cost Sunderland $13m so it was a great disappointment to see him out of the tournament so early on (during the first half of the first game) and that meant Dempsey being played out of position for the rest of the games.

Eden Hazard's last transfer cost was over $50m, to Chelsea, Fellaini transfered to Man Utd for $25m. Even Belgium's reserve goalkeeper, who hasn't played a minute yet, cost Liverpool over $15m to sign him from Sunderland last season.

I think the USA team did great with the players they have and was delighted to see the level of support they received from their supporters.


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Yes, the loss of Altidore was a huge blow.

Now that all my favorite teams are out (The Chuckanut Kiss of Death, no doubt) I figure I can really enjoy the art of futball in the remaining games since my emotional involvement for any particular team is just about zero
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Looking at the teams in pure economic terms the Belgian team players are valued at many millions of $ more than the US team. So it was definitely David v Goliath in those terms. Clint Dempsey for example cost $9.6m when he transferred to Tottenham Hotspurs and became the highest paid US soccer player ever. Altidore cost Sunderland $13m so it was a great disappointment to see him out of the tournament so early on (during the first half of the first game) and that meant Dempsey being played out of position for the rest of the games.

Eden Hazard's last transfer cost was over $50m, to Chelsea, Fellaini transfered to Man Utd for $25m. Even Belgium's reserve goalkeeper, who hasn't played a minute yet, cost Liverpool over $15m to sign him from Sunderland last season.

I think the USA team did great with the players they have and was delighted to see the level of support they received from their supporters.


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Interesting way to compare teams. From that perspective the US played very well indeed.

Now the quarterfinals. My heart is hoping they lead to Brazil / Germany and Argentina / Costa Rica, although I suspect Netherlands will be in the final.
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Interesting way to compare teams. From that perspective the US played very well indeed.

Now the quarterfinals. My heart is hoping they lead to Brazil / Germany and Argentina / Costa Rica, although I suspect Netherlands will be in the final.
They do this sort of comparison at club level all the time and the wealthiest clubs are sometimes hugely embarrassed in a knock-out competition such as the FA Cup when they get eliminated by a team where the whole team cost less than any one of their players.

Back in 2012 Manchester City won the premier league by spending huge amounts of money to buy the players and hire the manager to do the job, spending $1.5 Billion on players. (A few years earlier Chelsea had done the same thing)

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