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Old 06-14-2010, 03:51 PM   #41
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There's almost nothing that's anathema to a typical U.S. sports fan more than watching something go on for two hours ending in a 0-0 or 1-1 tie.
I guess you won't like cricket either where a game lasting 5 days often ends in a tie, and a "Test Series" of 5 such games also often ends in a tie.
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I guess you won't like cricket either where a game lasting 5 days often ends in a tie, and a "Test Series" of 5 such games also often ends in a tie.
I'm not saying I won't like it. But in my observation of most American sports fans, low scoring games and (especially) games ending in a tie are despised.

Frankly, I despise artificial, contrived ways to *force* a winner and a loser that aren't a natural continuation of a game, such as (yecch) shootouts. Why not decide baseball games with a home run derby? Or (American) football games with a contest to see who can punt the ball the farthest?

When the World Cup final can end in a shootout, something stinks to high heaven.
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Audrey, with all due respect- No Spaniard worth his salt would say "Guau" meaningyour "Wow".... We would most likely say something like "joder". But not in the sense of an exclamatory "Fu**!" but rather along the "Holy S***!" lines
Vicente, I guess those Spaniards are just more salty than us gringos. I met a woman at a dance who called herself "Concha". I thought I must have heard it wrong, but when she wrote her phone there it was "Concha, (206)...-...."
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I'm not saying I won't like it. But in my observation of most American sports fans, low scoring games and (especially) games ending in a tie are despised.
If it is scoring that counts then maybe you might like cricket Each side has 2 innings and typical score hundreds of runs per innings.

As for soccer, I think it is a wonderful game, particularly for young kids who run their legs off.
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I guess you won't like cricket either where a game lasting 5 days often ends in a tie, and a "Test Series" of 5 such games also often ends in a tie.
Alan- Is cricket as boring as it appears to be...? I hope this rather impertinent question doesn´t result in my having my head bitten off!!
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I have tried watching a couple of matches but I don't know the game rules or strategy. Besides that the constant din of the vuvuzela horns remind me of a crazed swarm of cicadas so I gave up.
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I have tried watching a couple of matches but I don't know the game rules or strategy. Besides that the constant din of the vuvuzela horns remind me of a crazed swarm of cicadas so I gave up.
I mute it; those horns are totally annoying.

I don't know why the broadcsters don't isolate the booth from the noise. Maybe they are afraid of criticism which is always easily come by. I enjoy futbol but I detest this droning.

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I'm not saying I won't like it. But in my observation of most American sports fans, low scoring games and (especially) games ending in a tie are despised.

Frankly, I despise artificial, contrived ways to *force* a winner and a loser that aren't a natural continuation of a game, such as (yecch) shootouts. Why not decide baseball games with a home run derby? Or (American) football games with a contest to see who can punt the ball the farthest?

When the World Cup final can end in a shootout, something stinks to high heaven.

The problem is that if there is not a shootout.... the game can go on forever...
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The problem is that if there is not a shootout.... the game can go on forever...
What's wrong with shootout? I love shootout. Lot of skills go into the penalty kick (shootout) too. In fact, players are often practice for that.

That is the rule of the game. If teams don't want shootout try to win it in the regular and overtime :-)
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Alan- Is cricket as boring as it appears to be...? I hope this rather impertinent question doesn´t result in my having my head bitten off!!
the 5 day game can be pretty boring, although many including myself really enjoy it - it is a game of skill, mental strength and endurance.

One Day games and 20-20 games are very exciting. When I played it was always 20-20 as the games were usually played on work nights so you only had 2 - 3 hours of light.

In the 20-20 version, each side gets to bowl ('pitch') 20 overs, each over consisting of 6 'pitches'. The winner is the side who scores the most off their 120 'pitches', and the scores are usually well over a 100 runs each.
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What's wrong with shootout? I love shootout. Lot of skills go into the penalty kick (shootout) too. In fact, players are often practice for that.
Sure, there's a lot of skill there, just like there is in a home run derby. But no one has suggested breaking a tie in baseball with a home run derby. No one has suggested that the NBA break ties with a game of "horse". These are skills that are part of the game, but aren't *the* game.

What's wrong with the shootout is that it's an artificial, contrived way to break ties, one that isn't a normal extension of the game. A team game shouldn't be resolved by a contrived one-on-one confrontation that isn't a normal part of the game (except for penalty kicks or penalty shots in hockey).
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the 5 day game can be pretty boring, although many including myself really enjoy it - it is a game of skill, mental strength and endurance.

One Day games and 20-20 games are very exciting. When I played it was always 20-20 as the games were usually played on work nights so you only had 2 - 3 hours of light.

In the 20-20 version, each side gets to bowl ('pitch') 20 overs, each over consisting of 6 'pitches'. The winner is the side who scores the most off their 120 'pitches', and the scores are usually well over a 100 runs each.

Hey Alan... (thread hijack!!!).... I did enjoy watching some cricket when I was there... and one of the good things about a game is that you do not have to watch the whole thing... you could go in and out and see how things are progressing... and do a 'wow' if something is skewed one way or the other...

But I remember talking about the one day games (I think they were 50s)... and never asked this question... what if the bowler just does not get the pitch close I mean... if I am pitching and I know there is a certain amount of pitches... I would not be close to allowing you to hit the ball unless there is a rule that would say 'that pitch does not count' if it is wide or whatever...

Now..... try to explain what a 'spinner' is or leg before stump...
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Sure, there's a lot of skill there, just like there is in a home run derby. But no one has suggested breaking a tie in baseball with a home run derby. No one has suggested that the NBA break ties with a game of "horse". These are skills that are part of the game, but aren't *the* game.
Exactly. Why not resolve the tie with a pistol duel, a three-legged race, or a bass-fishing tournament?

Any sporting event that ends in a tie isn't a contest, it's both sides agreeing they can't win.

Those stupid horns alone are enough to turn me off on the World Cup.
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But I remember talking about the one day games (I think they were 50s)... and never asked this question... what if the bowler just does not get the pitch close I mean... if I am pitching and I know there is a certain amount of pitches... I would not be close to allowing you to hit the ball unless there is a rule that would say 'that pitch does not count' if it is wide or whatever...

Now..... try to explain what a 'spinner' is or leg before stump...
If a bowl is too wide or high for a batter to hit then the umpire calls a "wide" and a run is awarded plus the ball has to be bowled again.

You are not allowed to stop the ball from hitting the wicket by use of your body (usually your leg) so if the ball hits the batter's leg and the umpire decides that the ball would have hit the wicket if it had not struck the batter then he is given out "leg before wicket". It is perfectly legal to deliberately hit the batter with the ball and this is done often by fast bowlers to make him nervous.

Fast bowlers bowl the ball at speeds between 80 and 95 mph, some manage over a 100 mph.

Medium pace rely on the ball swinging in the air and bouncing sharply off the seam.

Spin bowlers throw the ball much higher in the air imparting a lot of spin so that it takes very sharp unexpected movements when it bounces in front of the batsman as he tries to hit it.
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The problem is that if there is not a shootout.... the game can go on forever...
So start with 10 minutes of 10-on-10, then 10 minutes of 9-on-9 and so on. Hockey recently changed its overtime to be skating 4-on-4 instead of the usual 5-on-5 (plus goaltenders) to open up the field, make it more "wide open" and increase the scoring chances (and reducing the need to go to a stupid shootout).

Not perfect but much, much better than a shootout. At least the tie is being resolved by something that resembles the actual game.
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If FIFA is too desperate needing US to participating the game - they will change the rule. Until then, I will enjoy the shootout.
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So start with 10 minutes of 10-on-10, then 10 minutes of 9-on-9 and so on. Hockey recently changed its overtime to be skating 4-on-4 instead of the usual 5-on-5 (plus goaltenders) to open up the field, make it more "wide open" and increase the scoring chances (and reducing the need to go to a stupid shootout).

Not perfect but much, much better than a shootout. At least the tie is being resolved by something that resembles the actual game.
Hey, I'd watch that--it would be a lot more fun, and changing strategy/skills needed as the numbers dwindled. Don't stop the contest at the first score, just reduce one player per team every 5 minutes, whoever has the most goals at the end of the time wins. If a tie--the last two guys keep playing until someone scores. And, please, can we start immediately with this process instead of having to endure 90 minutes of 11-on-11 to-and-fro?

Oh, and widen the goal a little bit.

And let them use their hands if they want.
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I guess you won't like cricket either where a game lasting 5 days often ends in a tie, and a "Test Series" of 5 such games also often ends in a tie.
I grew up with my Dad listening to 5 day tests on short-wave radio. I remember thinking that's very long, but I can appreciate the strategy involved. Running up the score on the other team could result in a draw (not enough time for the other team to finish batting), but calling your side too early could result in not enough runs (ie. a loss).

I don't follow cricket much, but it looks like the twenty over cricket leagues are all the rage now? With games a mere 3 hours now! I played cricket for the first time in over 20 years with some friends about a month ago, it was really fun!
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Vicente, mi hermano... ¿Que Paso? Cuanto lamento por ti. Spain has suffered a tragedy

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Audrey, with all due respect- No Spaniard worth his salt would say "Guau" meaning your "Wow".... We would most likely say something like "joder". But not in the sense of an exclamatory "Fu**!" but rather along the "Holy S***!" lines[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/mbg/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/mbg/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
Vicente, even the priests in Spain use that word. Not in Latin America. The most likely choices I can’t use because I would be chastised by the mods - but Audrey’s choice is fine for someone not wanting a family-friendly term.

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Yeah ... that’s one of those words that has really different meanings around the countries. Conchita is a popular name in Mexico, concha is a seashell in Venezuela, and it is vulgar slang in southern South America.
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