10 year. 2.75% CD

[obgyn65]

Over the last few months I have been busing a few 10-year CDs. The rates have been around 2.3% or 2.5%. However, last week I found one at 2.75%. Are the long term CD rates finally going up?

[bUU]

And if so, that begs the question as to whether locking a whole mess 'o money in at 2.75% for 10 years is a good idea if the reason why the rates are increasing is that we're on the verge of an inflationary phase.

[enjoyinglife102]

There obviously isn't much room for them to go lower - but they might. Could they stay the same - they might. Could they go higher - they might. Hence, the laddering concept is born...

[Bestwifeever]

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Originally Posted by bUU And if so, that begs the question as to whether locking a whole mess 'o money in at 2.75% for 10 years is a good idea if the reason why the rates are increasing is that we're on the verge of an inflationary phase.

Not really locked in--if rates rise one could sell and take the penalty (often only 3 months interest) to buy a new one at a higher rate.

[rbmrtn]

There was one last week at Schwab @ 3%/10yr, it sold out almost as soon as it was listed. Higher rates are seen occasionally for promotions. If rates really shot up, break the CD, take the penalty and reinvest.

[obgyn65]

Or break the CDs when rates go up, and put half of the money in higher rate CDs, and the other half of the money in deferred annuities - while I am still in my 40s. My FIRE spreadsheet likes this approach very much.

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Originally Posted by rbmrtn There was one last week at Schwab @ 3%/10yr, it sold out almost as soon as it was listed. Higher rates are seen occasionally for promotions. If rates really shot up, break the CD, take the penalty and reinvest.

[rbmrtn]

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Originally Posted by obgyn65 Or break the CDs when rates go up, and put half of the money in higher rate CDs, and the other half of the money in deferred annuities - while I am still in my 40s. My FIRE spreadsheet likes this approach very much.

I think if I had the income you have , I'd take the suze orman approach. Find a muni bond specialist, buy individual munis and let it ride.

[Meadbh]

Nobody is tying up my cash for 10 years for that kind of interest rate!

Disclaimer: My cash allocation is ~15% of NW.

[brewer12345]

Everyone should be aware that brokerage-sold CDs generally cannot be surrendered early. If you want out before maturity, you have to sell on the open market for whtever you can get and possibly take your lumps.

[steelyman]

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Originally Posted by rbmrtn I think if I had the income you have , I'd take the suze orman approach. Find a muni bond specialist, buy individual munis and let it ride.

I don't think anyone knows what the income is around here.

[clifp]

I'd expect to see 3% CD rates with 10 year treasuries at 2.6%

[rbmrtn]

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Originally Posted by brewer12345 Everyone should be aware that brokerage-sold CDs generally cannot be surrendered early. If you want out before maturity, you have to sell on the open market for whtever you can get and possibly take your lumps.

+1 on that. If thru a broker account they are sold on the market and the rules are different. There should be a disclosure when you purchase.

[Chuckanut]

I bought a 5 year CD about 2 years ago yielding 2.25%. I swallowed hard at such a long commitment for such low interest. Today, it makes me look like a sharp investor.

I look at it this way, if I had to borrow money and could get it at less than 3% for 10 years would I take it? In a New York minute! Going the other way, I think it puts too much of the risk on the investor. But, hey, what do I know about predicting interest rates?

[Lsbcal]

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Originally Posted by brewer12345 Everyone should be aware that brokerage-sold CDs generally cannot be surrendered early. If you want out before maturity, you have to sell on the open market for whtever you can get and possibly take your lumps.

That's what I was told a few years back when I enquired about Vanguard's VBS available CD from some banks. Makes it sound like you are really buying a bond that reflects the forward expected interest rates.

[Surewhitey]

I laddered some 5 yr CD's 4 years ago and got:
2.87%
3.06%
2.67%
2.518%
2.48%
2.274%
1.6% (3 months ago)

My first is maturing in April...not likely to re-new. Glad I gradually got in now, didn't think so at the onset.

[veremchuka]

Wow, you'd be willing to lock up money for 10 years? TEN? You'd have to be able to bail anytime after 1 year without giving up any earned interest or I wouldn't do this. Do you think that rates will be 2.75% in say 3 or 5 or 7 or 9 years from now? I don't. 3 or 4 years from now this could look like a lousy interest rate just like the rates of today look lousy.

[EvrClrx311]

My assumption for planning purposes is that inflation will be in the 4-5% range for half of the next 10 years... I suppose you could always break the CD when that happens.

[Cessna5354]

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Originally Posted by rbmrtn I think if I had the income you have , I'd take the suze orman approach. Find a muni bond specialist, buy individual munis and let it ride.

I agree, without the Suze or income part.

But I fully agree otherwise !!

[obgyn65]

It's much less than you think. Plus, I used to work in Europe, where salaries are much lower than they are here. I remember making a huge $40,000-50,000 per year in my late 20s in Europe about 25 years ago. I am aware that big accounting or law firms partners lurk around here, as well as very senior bankers, and I am sure that my pay slip pales in comparison to theirs. And that's ok, I am not racing against anyone. I would spend the same amount of money even if I earned twice as much of what I am making now.

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Originally Posted by rbmrtn I think if I had the income you have , I'd take the suze orman approach. Find a muni bond specialist, buy individual munis and let it ride.

[obgyn65]

My CDs average 2.8% for the next 10 years. Worry free. Can you say the same about your investments? :-)

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Originally Posted by Meadbh Nobody is tying up my cash for 10 years for that kind of interest rate! Disclaimer: My cash allocation is ~15% of NW.