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Old 09-08-2006, 11:26 AM   #81
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The horse meat thing could have something to do with hating the French!! *

(They eat horsemeat, but heck, in Italy it's right in the meat case, too.. *next to the lamb's heads.. and we're the US's only big ally after the UK..!) Forza Italia!

P.S. and you DO know that real Bolognese mortadella is made from asino (i.e, donkey meat), right..?

More stream of consciousness: Romano Prodi's derogatory nickname here is "the Mortadella" -- he's from Bologna, soft, flabby, and squishy. The "asino" part may or may not be sub-intended.



Non si butta via niente!* (Waste nothing!)

The EU per se does not have a defense budget to date as far as I know.. calls have been made to establish one, funding it at about 200 million. ( koff kofff... compared with DoD budget request of $500 billion). Overall, EU countries spend 1.9% of GDP on defense, compared with America's 3.4%, according to The Economist. European defense contractors do have some joint ventures, but "the EU" is unlikely to act in lockstep in anything defense-related anytime soon.
http://www.economist.com/background/...ory_id=5548061

But an Italian firm did get the contract for the newest 23 Marine One helicopters!!
Payback for help with those forged yellowcake documents?
God, I love Italy.. a conspiracy theory a minute.. and they're ALL true!
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Re: 6 stitches = $800
Old 09-08-2006, 12:01 PM   #82
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Hmmm, so you'd be willing to bank those healthcare premiums and chance the million dollar hospital bill that would wipe you out?* You'd be willing to forgo liability insurance and chance getting sued for millions?
I have health insurance.* *(a truth, which should answer your question).

This is besides the point of my point.* * He was referencing only an $800 dollar bill, as if that was unreasonable desite how much X-ray machines cost and the cost of training a medical doctor.* I thought it sounded pretty reasonable to me, especially considering his alternative; health insurance premiums.

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Not true for health insurance.* The negotiated discount that health insurers receive is like a 50% off coupon.* Then the ins. co. pays their part and you pay your part (of the negotiated price).* The $800 ER bill will probably be $300-400 after the negotiated discount.
What i said was true.* *If you're having to pay the full balance of your health insurance (meaning, unlike me where the Fed goverment pays about 75% of mine), you will come out ahead just banking the premiums and paying out of pocket when you do have an accident on average.* *

What you said is besides the point.* *Even if you only pay half of the bill, you are also paying health insurance premiums.* * That would be far more cost than just not having health insurance at all, banking what you would pay for premiums, and just paying out of pocket for accidents;* * again.... on average.* * *As i said, if this were not true, i'd be impossible for the insurance company to profit.


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Keep in mind the poster above almost certainly has the best health-insurance YOUR tax dollars can provided. So while its a good idea for *you* to risk total financial ruin by being "below average", I don't beleive he is taking that same risk. Don't ou love when other people give you advice on how to run your life but do the opposite for themselves?
Hey chief, I'm a federal employee too and i also have the best insurance your money is providing for. Thanks.

Quote the part where i gave him advice. I could have swore i just made matter-of-fact statements.
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Az was shooting his mouth off about having magical powers again, and I am surprised that these powers extend to the realm of whether or not you win the healthcare lottery.
Nope, you once again went off on a tangent Brewer, showing you still have a chip on your shoulder.
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The EU per se does not have a defense budget to date as far as I know.. calls have been made to establish one, funding it at about 200 million. ( koff kofff... compared with DoD budget request of $500 billion). Overall, EU countries spend 1.9% of GDP on defense, compared with America's 3.4%, according to The Economist.

Hot damn.... that is where I had it in my mind that we were below 5%... as a percent of GDP.. not the budget... *Thanks!!

And again from memory.. this is one of the lower levels in history...
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:11 PM   #86
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Azanon, I usually just cruise on by posts like yours that I disagree with, but this one hit a nerve with me (no pun intended). *

Like you I felt I was "rarely worse than average on anything." *I'm not overweight, I don't smoke, I don't have high cholesterol, I exercise frequently and am in very good physical shape. * *I have no family history of serious medical problems. *A health insurance dream.

Unlike you I happily paid for good health insurance. *

Through no "fault" of my own - I've been diagnosed with conditions which caused me to incurr about $20,000 in medical bills this year. * *That's just the start. *Even banking every premium for the last twenty years, I'll probably run out soon.

S&(# happens to everybody eventually. *Someday perhaps you will be humbled. *I hope it's not TOO painful for you when it happens.
Again, where did i say I don't have health insurance? (I'll save you the checking time, i didnt, and i DO have health insurance. *I'd be crazy not too since the federal goverment pays 75% of it). * I simply made some matter of fact statements, and i didnt imply anything beyond that.

I implicitly said, on average, you'd come out ahead. * The getting all bent out of shape about me just stating facts is your issue, not mine.

And what a hateful thing to close with, Sheryl. Maybe some other method besides bitterness would be a better approach for your current situation.


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Nope, you once again went off on a tangent Brewer, showing you still have a chip on your shoulder.
Az, do us a favor and take your meds on schedule.
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Az, do us a favor and take your meds on schedule.
Beautiful Irony. You saying that.
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What need hath Brewer for meds? He has his brew!
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The EU per se does not have a defense budget to date as far as I know.. calls have been made to establish one, funding it at about 200 million. ( koff kofff... compared with DoD budget request of $500 billion). Overall, EU countries spend 1.9% of GDP on defense, compared with America's 3.4%, according to The Economist. European defense contractors do have some joint ventures, but "the EU" is unlikely to act in lockstep in anything defense-related anytime soon.
http://www.economist.com/background/...ory_id=5548061
You're correct, the EU doesn't have a defense the individual countries do. I realized my mistake as soon as I pressed "post", but I had to meet the DW for lunch. If I remember correctly, the French are developing the aircraft I referenced earlier.

Sorry for the mistake.
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Again, where did i say I don't have health insurance? (I'll save you the checking time, i didnt, and i DO have health insurance. *I'd be crazy not too since the federal goverment pays 75% of it). * I simply made some matter of fact statements, and i didnt imply anything beyond that.

I implicitly said, on average, you'd come out ahead. * The getting all bent out of shape about me just stating facts is your issue, not mine.

And what a hateful thing to close with, Sheryl.* Maybe some other method besides bitterness would be a better approach for your current situation.


Az, you are not being fair to Sheryl. You said:

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Buying insurance is a hedge that you might be worse off than average. That's the reason i personally despise insurance; because i'm rarely worse than average on anything.

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She was responding to you statement that you are rarely worse than average. You come off sounding very narcissistic. As Sheryl says, the unexpected can happen to anyone at anytime. She wasn't being hateful.

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You come off sounding very narcissistic.
Heh, understatement of the year.
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Maybe Azanon was just feeling lucky to think he's not worse than average.*

However, it's hard to determine what's average, that is, until one gets hit with one whopping serious condition.* At that point, you realize you're not "average" or "normal" anymore.* For all of us, the possibility of misfortune is always there, and healthwise, the probability goes higher as we get older--perhaps that's part of what Sheryl meant.

As for me, I feel lucky even if I might be average.* I hope my luck keeps up.
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However, it's hard to determine what's average, that is, until one gets hit with one whopping serious condition.* At that point, you realize you're not "average" or "normal" anymore.* For all of us, the possibility of misfortune is always there, and healthwise, the probability goes higher as we get older--perhaps that's part of what Sheryl meant.
And that's what happened to me. I would have never dreamed I would have these health issues in my early 50's. It is very humbling.
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My personal oddest health insurance claim was about 12 years ago. I had some surgery that was estimated to last two hours. Well There were some problems and it lasted 4 hours. The insurance company paid for the surgeon, with no problem, but they wouldn't pay for the extra 2 hours of anestesia. They said it wasn't "Necessary". I went a round and a round with them. I finally ended up paying it myself. I am sure the ceo of BC/BS wouldn't want to have surgery without himself!
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let's-retire, to whom is the EU going to sell jet-fighters that could threaten the U.S.? The U.S. and NATO have been the only entities attacking other countries with warplanes other than Israel.

Stop and think about it. Who could afford the megamillions? Although the UK is not technically part of the EU, they are fully integrated in the European defence industry and would definitely have a say in policy.
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let's-retire, to whom is the EU going to sell jet-fighters that could threaten the U.S.? The U.S. and NATO have been the only entities attacking other countries with warplanes other than Israel.

Stop and think about it. Who could afford the megamillions? Although the UK is not technically part of the EU, they are fully integrated in the European defence industry and would definitely have a say in policy.
Sorry.. but the UK is part of the EU... it just is not part of the Euro currency...
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let's-retire, to whom is the EU going to sell jet-fighters that could threaten the U.S.? The U.S. and NATO have been the only entities attacking other countries with warplanes other than Israel.

Stop and think about it. Who could afford the megamillions? Although the UK is not technically part of the EU, they are fully integrated in the European defence industry and would definitely have a say in policy.
Lets just say one nightmare sceanario is that Europe starts selling advanced fighters and other advanced military hardware to China. China has lots of cash and has shown a willingness to beef up it's military for the Taiwan show-down.

Another sceanrio is one of advanced fighters and equipment to Iran.

Both of these countries have lots of cash and a mindset to deter the US.

They don't have to threaten the US directly. They just have to make an engagement lots more painful and the outcome much less certain to pursue their objectives.
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You are correct Texas.

Mrs. Zipper has a British Passport that is valid in the rest of the EU.

Now.........to whom is the EU is going to sell fighter-jets that would threaten the U.S.?
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