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Old 03-31-2008, 04:23 PM   #41
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FD, is there some reason the mods have not nuked this assclown already?
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:31 PM   #42
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FD, is there some reason the mods have not nuked this ...?
Comic relief? No, wait... I'm getting this confused with the "Serious Help" thread. Never mind...
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:40 PM   #43
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Comic relief? No, wait... I'm getting this confused with the "Serious Help" thread. Never mind...
Heh, somehow I missed that communal bitch-slapping until you mentioned it. Looks ike I am too late to join in.

Where do these clowns come from?
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FD, is there some reason the mods have not nuked this assclown already?
Because so far, the rules of the forum have been followed. If it degrades to muck-raking and name-calling, the thread will be closed.........
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Where do these clowns come from?
Good question. I'm not sure that it is a definitive answer, but I was able to find this: Big Comfy Couch: Where Do Clowns Come from?
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Because so far, the rules of the forum have been followed. If it degrades to muck-raking and name-calling, the thread will be closed.........
I agree..... he has not said anything IMO that should require a ban or even his post to be 'fixed'.... and if he never does come up with the 'goods', he will tire and move on like most do...

And as I saw on an interview the other day, there are still people who believe we did not land on the moon or that the earth is flat...
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Because so far, the rules of the forum have been followed. If it degrades to muck-raking and name-calling, the thread will be closed.........
Excuse me, but I see LOTS of name-calling....all directed at Kevin Bruner. Mr Bruner, this forum just won't tolerate the ideas you suggest and it might be best if you just go away to another venue.
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i think we can tolerate ideas, whether good, bad, or indifferent; but that doesn't mean they'll be graciously accepted.
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FD, is there some reason the mods have not nuked this assclown already?
Whenever there are trolls, there are troll defenders.
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I'd be offended by heavy-handed moderation. I think some of the posters in the thread have gotten a little personal in the attack, but I suppose I've been guilty of that as well (Sorry Art G!).

The feeling I get reading his post here is that he REALLY does believe in the product despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Do you all think that is 'real' or do you think he really knows the inferiority of the product for his clients and the profitability for himself makes him speak the way he does?

I've been fortunate to never derive my living where there could be a conflict of interest - I wonder what that is like.
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I'd be offended by heavy-handed moderation. I think some of the posters in the thread have gotten a little personal in the attack, but I suppose I've been guilty of that as well (Sorry Art G!).


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The feeling I get reading his post here is that he REALLY does believe in the product despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Do you all think that is 'real' or do you think he really knows the inferiority of the product for his clients and the profitability for himself makes him speak the way he does?
I'm not on his X-mas card list.............

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I've been fortunate to never derive my living where there could be a conflict of interest - I wonder what that is like.
Count yourself fortunate. I was just wondering if ALL salespeople are BAD, or only the ones in financial services??
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Kevin's high pressure sales pitch is what makes me question his motives more than simply offering life insurance.
Appeals to authority, peer pressure, claiming that people that don't agree with his product simply are incapable of 'thinking outside the box'.
Kevin, if you are still reading, you would do better, with this crowd, with actual numbers and much much less of the high pressure sales tactics.
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I'd be offended by heavy-handed moderation. I think some of the posters in the thread have gotten a little personal in the attack, but I suppose I've been guilty of that as well (Sorry Art G!).

The feeling I get reading his post here is that he REALLY does believe in the product despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Do you all think that is 'real' or do you think he really knows the inferiority of the product for his clients and the profitability for himself makes him speak the way he does?

I've been fortunate to never derive my living where there could be a conflict of interest - I wonder what that is like.
I agree... light moderation is better... even if we get a troll or two... but I don't see him as a troll as some do... as I said, there are some flat earthers who do BELIEVE...

To tell the truth, I think MMND was worse than this one... I saw her as a liar and was much worse as a 'troll'... at least he seems to be 'honest' in his belief and sales...
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To answer chinaco, I design various strategies for clients. (Generally they come to me to save them from what their 1% fee brokers did to them, ya get what ya pay for). Often these strategies include, real estate, various exit strategies for businesses, structured sale, asset protection, estate planning, tax strategies, private funds, and yes, IRA’s, 401k, ROTH and the like, as well. Some plans take 6 to 9 months to implement, we have attorneys and CPAs we partner with to complete many parts of these plans. Yes these often include Life Insurance too. Calling me a ‘life insurance salesman’ is like a cardiologist, administers ‘first aid’. I have consulted, Avery Dennison, Anixter Bros, ITT Industries, Vinnell Corp, Ratheon, and a dozen more… and wrote business plans professionally for many years. Looking at a financial plan more as a business plan, opens your eyes to profit where others just see expense… As for Missed Fortune… the wealthier the client, they are already doing it. It’s the others, the 'know it all wanna bee's' that just don’t get it, don’t want to, and never will.

Dude if you are smart how come you are still working? Actually how old are you?

Let me guess you were one of those 13 year old kids, who when they had career day, got all excited at the life insurance salesman financial advisor presentation, and say I screw being a rock star, baseball player, astronaut, I want to read 400 page disclosure documents when I grow up.
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Dude if you are smart how come you are still working? Actually how old are you?

Let me guess you were one of those 13 year old kids, who when they had career day, got all excited at the life insurance salesman financial advisor presentation, and say I screw being a rock star, baseball player, astronaut, I want to read 400 page disclosure documents when I grow up.


And I am still waiting for my refund from that Charles Givens seminar DW dragged me to when we were dating...........
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I agree... light moderation is better... even if we get a troll or two... but I don't see him as a troll as some do... as I said, there are some flat earthers who do BELIEVE...

To tell the truth, I think MMND was worse than this one... I saw her as a liar and was much worse as a 'troll'... at least he seems to be 'honest' in his belief and sales...
If he's going to "play" on here as an FA, one of the first things he should have done is brush up on his spelling. How serious is he going to be taken on a technical subject if he can't spell or use spell-check??
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That is one of the strangest pictures I have ever seen.
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What is really frightening is the number of 5-star reviews of this book on amazon.com. This looks like the most thorough debunking of Missed Fortune 101 possible:

Doug Thorburn Book Reviews

It's really a shame that you guys scared Kevin away, I would've been thrilled to hear his counter-arguments against this criticism. The tap-dancing alone would've provided hours of entertainment.
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