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Old 04-26-2018, 01:30 PM   #41
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You see this with charities sometimes. ... "Feed the starving children" ... "Save the abused animals" ...
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Old 04-26-2018, 01:46 PM   #42
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I use Google Voice with an OBi200 VoIP adapter for totally free landline phone service. Ooma is like a Sunday in TJ. It's cheap but it's not free.

Sounds good.

Just curious, do you also have their OBiTALK Premium Support plan? If so, how much is it?

Also, it sounds like it can be used via multiple locations. Wondering if this might be great for a snowbird, and how would that work?

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Old 04-27-2018, 04:15 AM   #43
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The joke at my house is that I want to be in a business where folks pay me monthly forever.

Become a landlord
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Old 04-27-2018, 05:01 AM   #44
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You are correct. But we did that for about 20 years. The last property was sold a few weeks ago. I was thinking about something like Ma Bell's old phone rental deal. You pay me but I don't do much for it.
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Old 04-27-2018, 05:11 AM   #45
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EDIT: land-lines.

when I sold mom's house (over a decade ago) I found she had been leasing two phones from AT&T (around $20/month) for at least 20 years...
What a racket. I think you could stop those payments after a couple of years by telling them you now wanted to own the phone and take responsibility if it failed. I called and they hadn't even been tracking how long I'd had it. At least the "lease payments" stopped.

FloridaTennisPlayer asked why anyone would have a land line; I'm very protective of my smartphone number. I get really irritated when I'm driving, or in the gym, the occasional marketing call slips through- I'll provide the number to someone doing work on my house to avoid telephone tag and then I get called with a follow-up satisfaction survey, for example. The landline is equivalent to a spamcatcher e-mail address.
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What a racket. I think you could stop those payments after a couple of years by telling them you now wanted to own the phone and take responsibility if it failed. I called and they hadn't even been tracking how long I'd had it. At least the "lease payments" stopped.

FloridaTennisPlayer asked why anyone would have a land line; I'm very protective of my smartphone number. I get really irritated when I'm driving, or in the gym, the occasional marketing call slips through- I'll provide the number to someone doing work on my house to avoid telephone tag and then I get called with a follow-up satisfaction survey, for example. The landline is equivalent to a spamcatcher e-mail address.
For me, the cell phone I have had for the last 3 years and whose number I have given out to maybe 10 people has become little more than a receptacle for junk calls and texts which make up at least 95% of the activity on the phone. It's a low-end flip phone which costs me about $5-$8 per month and lacks any call-blocking procedures. At least I can use Nomorobo on the land line although it has become less effective over time due to the caller number spoofing.
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You are correct. But we did that for about 20 years. The last property was sold a few weeks ago. I was thinking about something like Ma Bell's old phone rental deal. You pay me but I don't do much for it.
No wonder ATT stock did great years ago. LOL
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Sounds good.

Just curious, do you also have their OBiTALK Premium Support plan? If so, how much is it?

Also, it sounds like it can be used via multiple locations. Wondering if this might be great for a snowbird, and how would that work?

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No. It's $10/yr and I'm never really sure what it provides over and above the totally free option. I think it's mainly phone/email support in case you need help with configuration or firmware updates. I just bought the OBi200, configured it for my Google Voice number following some well-documented instructions, and it works very reliably.

I've never tried it at another location, but I think it would work fine. Just take the OBi device with you and plug it in. It just needs an internet connection.
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Old 04-27-2018, 03:35 PM   #49
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What a racket. I think you could stop those payments after a couple of years by telling them you now wanted to own the phone and take responsibility if it failed. I called and they hadn't even been tracking how long I'd had it. At least the "lease payments" stopped.

FloridaTennisPlayer asked why anyone would have a land line; I'm very protective of my smartphone number. I get really irritated when I'm driving, or in the gym, the occasional marketing call slips through- I'll provide the number to someone doing work on my house to avoid telephone tag and then I get called with a follow-up satisfaction survey, for example. The landline is equivalent to a spamcatcher e-mail address.
I use Google Voice as the number I give out to businesses, etc. I also use GV when calling same.
Actual cell phone number? Only to close friends and family.
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Old 04-27-2018, 03:56 PM   #50
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I use Google Voice with an OBi200 VoIP adapter for totally free landline phone service. Ooma is like a Sunday in TJ. It's cheap but it's not free.
It depends...I got my Ooma many years ago, when it was completely free (other than initial device purchase). It's still free for me, although I understand new customers have to pay a small monthly...
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A lot of my expenses are because I'm still working.

I'd love to ditch my monthly cell phone and just buy a prepaid phone card. If I wasn't working, and on call, I could probably get by on just $20 a year for talk only.

If I wasn't working I'd be happy just wearing tee-shirts from Walmart and a few pairs of shorts. I'd live in a warmer climate all year round.

I would move somewhere with better public transportation and live within walking distance to a grocery store. At that point I would give up owning a car.
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A lot of my expenses are because I'm still working.

I'd love to ditch my monthly cell phone and just buy a prepaid phone card. If I wasn't working, and on call, I could probably get by on just $20 a year for talk only.

If I wasn't working I'd be happy just wearing tee-shirts from Walmart and a few pairs of shorts. I'd live in a warmer climate all year round.

I would move somewhere with better public transportation and live within walking distance to a grocery store. At that point I would give up owning a car.
You could Uber/Lyft to/from nearby grocery store.

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I would love to get rid of our landline but we live a couple miles from the San Andreas fault. It's good to have one landline in case we have an earthquake and lose power and cell towers. We do have Comcast triple play for our business line. I figure when the big one hits and we have the only landline around, I can charge people to use it. :-).
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I would love to get rid of our landline but we live a couple miles from the San Andreas fault. It's good to have one landline in case we have an earthquake and lose power and cell towers. We do have Comcast triple play for our business line. I figure when the big one hits and we have the only landline around, I can charge people to use it. :-).
I should add that I consider a landline to be a phone plugged into the telephone jack in the wall. Also it is an old time corded phone. Not cordless.
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I would love to get rid of our landline but we live a couple miles from the San Andreas fault. It's good to have one landline in case we have an earthquake and lose power and cell towers. We do have Comcast triple play for our business line. I figure when the big one hits and we have the only landline around, I can charge people to use it. :-).
For the land line you might worry if the phone company goes from analog to digital before the central office. If so if the power fails after some time the batteries on the multiplexers will die and the land line also go out of service. Fewer and fewer land lines are all copper all the way to the central office, so that they can run DSL over the lines. (DSL does not allow the long distance copper runs that plain old analog telephone did. But by putting in neighborhood multiplexers they save the cost of rewiring all the way to each home.
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For the land line you might worry if the phone company goes from analog to digital before the central office. If so if the power fails after some time the batteries on the multiplexers will die and the land line also go out of service. Fewer and fewer land lines are all copper all the way to the central office, so that they can run DSL over the lines. (DSL does not allow the long distance copper runs that plain old analog telephone did. But by putting in neighborhood multiplexers they save the cost of rewiring all the way to each home.
Thank you for this. Our AT & T bill has risen to almost $50 per month. Drives me crazy to pay it every month. I'll talk to my husband about it.
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For the land line you might worry if the phone company goes from analog to digital before the central office. If so if the power fails after some time the batteries on the multiplexers will die and the land line also go out of service. Fewer and fewer land lines are all copper all the way to the central office, so that they can run DSL over the lines. (DSL does not allow the long distance copper runs that plain old analog telephone did. But by putting in neighborhood multiplexers they save the cost of rewiring all the way to each home.
Yep, here our development was built ~30 years ago & the phone service is fiber from the CO to a box at the entrance, then copper line to the individual homes.

Across the country the above is steadily replacing copper lines from the CO to each individual home.

Recently AT&T has run new fiber on the main road near us and is slowly connecting that fiber directly to homes in nearby neighborhoods (offering much faster internet & no underground copper to maintain)
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Yep, here our development was built ~30 years ago & the phone service is fiber from the CO to a box at the entrance, then copper line to the individual homes.

Across the country the above is steadily replacing copper lines from the CO to each individual home.

Recently AT&T has run new fiber on the main road near us and is slowly connecting that fiber directly to homes in nearby neighborhoods (offering much faster internet & no underground copper to maintain)
They are running fiber around our neighborhood, too.
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The joke at my house is that I want to be in a business where folks pay me monthly forever. In Atlanta they are now advertising renting your hot water heater and HVAC (Mnt. included) for a low monthly payment.



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I have recently seen a automotive tire store that rents tires. That is a new one on me.
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