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Old 09-25-2008, 09:41 AM   #21
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OK, now this thread should be closed down on account of too much kissing up.
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Old 09-25-2008, 09:43 AM   #22
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OK, now this thread should be closed down on account of too much kissing up.
There's a LOT of love on here............which frankly scares the heck out of me..........
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There's a LOT of love on here............which frankly scares the heck out of me..........
Now that Martha's got her boots and whip avatar back, scary love is HER department!!
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Now that Martha's got her boots and whip avatar back, scary love is HER department!!
Funny, I always thought of Martha as a well spoken petite gentle woman..........that S&M stuff scares me........
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Its always the quiet ones...

Although sometimes its the overly vocal obtuse ones
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Now that Martha's got her boots and whip avatar back, scary love is HER department!!
I can live with that.
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As a general comment over the many post and treads, there are people I have been blunt with and frequently crossed the line with my comments. Good natured responses and acceptance of different opinions carries forward far farther than agreement or acceptance. If everyone here simply agreed with me, I'd soon stop coming and posting.

There is a level of repeated rudeness that isn't tolerated by me. Since I'm not a moderator, I can have my elite few of "ignores" and live with less garbage.
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What the heck
Perhaps bunny is dyslexic. The chart you posted clearly showed that AMCAP (one of AF's worst performers) outperformed in the 10 year + area, which is what I thought Mutual fund people wanted, long term results??
Nope. Want good statistics: average return (CAGR), low standard deviation, high risk-adjusted return, low maximum drawdown. That's what I asked about on another thread.

Period returns like 3-year, 5-year, 10-year are just boob-bait. What matters is the above stats. What the funds have done in the past X years is only mildly interesting.
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Well first off, I hadn't heard nor seen anything from a mod stating they were being proactive on the matter. Also, I was responding to a different thread with further claims being made by you. If you can stick to the facts vs. furthering your personal vendetta, then I can do the same.
Now, as to the facts, you can't have it both ways, you can't tout long term results, then when the moment suits you, claim short term results are what matter. Would we love to see American Funds outperform in good times and bad, sure, however, this isn't always the case. AF owned a decent amount of FNM and AIG (both were supposed to be very conservative), and both went sour.
So, bottom line, they've gotten beat vs the index very recently, however, they do hold cash, so hopefully, when the time comes, they'll be able to buy near the bottom vs. having to hold certain stocks while they continue to tank. Consider the index fund that was forced to sell AIG at the bottom vs. at the very least being able to make an objective opinion as to their future.
Is there anything else in the world that you'd prefer to have a computer running without human interaction, besides your investments?
Anyone seeing an advantage yet to a mutual fund currently holding cash? Just wondering.
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Just like one of those blow up punching bags with a weight in the bottom.

To answer the question: no. If I want to hold cash, I'll hold cash. I see no reason to give 5.75% of my cash to an adviser followed by 1% a year so they can hold it in cash and underperform everything else over almost any measure.

All I can think of is Donald Sutherland in Animal House trying to give an assignment to the class when they're all leaving, and muttering "Listen, I'm not joking. This is my job!"

We all understand that you have to drink your own koolaid to feel good about it.
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Oh my dear lord. I should check the quotes before hitting the bag.

AMCPX down 3.92% today. S&P 500 down 3.85%

That cash and expensive active management is really working out!!!
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Oh my dear lord. I should check the quotes before hitting the bag.

AMCPX down 3.92% today. S&P 500 down 3.85%

That cash and expensive active management is really working out!!!
Vanguard Total Stock Market fund -3.98% today..........
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Vanguard Total Stock Market fund -3.98% today..........
AMCPX down 3.77% today, according to Yahoo Finance.........
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Sorry, the s&p500 and apcpx quotes were sitting next to each other in my "recent quotes" bucket and the punching bag wasnt worth looking up the tsm quote.

So whats that .13% advantage after taking out the 5.75% front end load and the 1% expense ratio vs the TSMs .15%?

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I know you guys have to p^ss all over each other, but does anybody really care what anything does for one day? Too much time, get a life, take a pill, etc.
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Hey, I'm just enjoying the performance of my civic duty.

Every time one of these guys crows about how great their funds are...well...how great they think they are in the absence of data...and I mention the big front end loads, big expense ratios, and dismal performance vs expectations, Andy's fine SEO algorithms makes sure its in the top 5 google results for "american funds" or "amcpx", so millions of potential buyers can realize their mistake hopefully before making it.

So keep up the good work guys! Keep bringing it up!
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One year performance to date, total stock market vs AMCAP.

Holding all that cash and actively making brilliant investing decisions is really paying off in this down market...
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Quit confusing people with actual facts, would you?
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Oh my dear lord. I should check the quotes before hitting the bag.

AMCPX down 3.92% today. S&P 500 down 3.85%

That cash and expensive active management is really working out!!!

Sure, if you pick both funds to compare. AMCPX is not one of the funds holding cash. Thanks for your help.
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