Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-21-2014, 09:14 PM   #521
Moderator
Walt34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Eastern WV Panhandle
Posts: 16,511
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon-nyc View Post
Indeed, there is a wealth of knowledge in this thread.
Yes, but it is awkward for the ignorant.
__________________

__________________
I heard the call to do nothing. So I answered it.
Walt34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 09-21-2014, 09:52 PM   #522
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
38Chevy454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 1,580
I would rather be wealthy of knowledge than knowledgeable about wealth.
__________________

__________________
After Monday & Tuesday even the calendar says, W-T-F...

Semi-Retired 7/1/16: working part-time (60%) for now [4/24/16 changed to 80%]
Retired Aug 2, 2017; age 53
38Chevy454 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2014, 10:11 PM   #523
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
NW-Bound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 19,401
There are two main tangents to this thread. One is about bread making, and the other is about cars.

As I have never made bread, I do not have much to add there, other than that I like French baguette, and I have read that it takes some tricks to obtain the crunchy crust, something about adding steam to the oven or misting the bread during baking. Any comment?

About cars, I am not into that, so do not have much to add either. However, I just remember that I happened to run across a Bricklin recently while traveling in New Brunswick, and did take some photos of it. Surely, some people here would remember the Canadian-made Bricklin which was said to be the inspiration for the DeLorean.

Wikipedia said that less than 3,000 Bricklins were made before the company went bankrupt with much controversy involving the then Premier of NB Province. The car I saw had the serial number of 1956. It was said that each car cost $16K to make in 1975 ($68K in 2014 dollars), but was sold for only $5K to be price competitive.

__________________
"Old age is the most unexpected of all things that can happen to a man" -- Leon Trotsky
NW-Bound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 05:35 AM   #524
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
Amethyst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,876
I like that...so wealthy, you don't knead bread! Is there a whole-wheat version, or does using whole wheat flour cause kneadiness?

Amethyst

Quote:
Originally Posted by calmloki View Post
Breads? 1 1/2 cups warm water, 1 tsp salt, 1 tsp yeast, 3 1/2 cups bread flour, let sit for 10 hours covered, turn out and allow to rise in a pan for an hour, bake at 425 for 45 minutes. Not really everything in it, but.... oh wait - you said threads, not breads. what were we talking about?
__________________
If you understood everything I say, you'd be me ~ Miles Davis
'There is only one success to be able to spend your life in your own way. Christopher Morley.
Amethyst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 05:49 AM   #525
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,318
Quote:
Originally Posted by NW-Bound View Post
There are two main tangents to this thread. One is about bread making, and the other is about cars.

As I have never made bread, I do not have much to add there, other than that I like French baguette, and I have read that it takes some tricks to obtain the crunchy crust, something about adding steam to the oven or misting the bread during baking. Any comment?
You can get a crusty loaf by adding steam in the first 5-10 minutes of baking. I have a gas oven. Don't know if you can use an electric oven.

Place a cast iron pan on the floor of the oven. Preheat oven, spray the dough with water before placing in oven, use a long handled soup ladle or long spout kettle to dump water into the cast iron pan and quickly close the door. Caution because dumping water in hot cast iron pan can shoot out and burn you.

You can also try spraying water inside the oven during the first 5-10 minutes. I've never had much luck with this method. Caution, do not have the light turned on inside the oven. If you hit the bulb with water you can shatter the bulb.

I also have a bread oven made from clay that you dampen with water before placing bread inside and placing in oven. You can make a bread oven from clay flower pot and clay saucer. I'd have to look up the directions for how to make it. Pretty sure you have to season the inside, similar to cast iron pot before you bake bread in it.
__________________
splitwdw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 06:00 AM   #526
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
photoguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,301
Quote:
Originally Posted by splitwdw View Post
You can get a crusty loaf by adding steam in the first 5-10 minutes of baking. I have a gas oven. Don't know if you can use an electric oven.
Adding water to make stream never worked for me in my gas oven. I think it vented too quickly.

In addition to a clay pot, you can cook the bread in any covered container where it will steam in its own moisture. I've used a dutch oven, casserole dish, turkey roaster, etc. Just take off the lid midway through baking.


Sent from my Nexus 5 using Early Retirement Forum mobile app
__________________
photoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 07:01 AM   #527
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
MooreBonds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by splitwdw View Post
You can get a crusty loaf by adding steam in the first 5-10 minutes of baking. I have a gas oven. Don't know if you can use an electric oven.

Place a cast iron pan on the floor of the oven. Preheat oven, spray the dough with water before placing in oven, use a long handled soup ladle or long spout kettle to dump water into the cast iron pan and quickly close the door. Caution because dumping water in hot cast iron pan can shoot out and burn you.
The one (and so far, only) time I tried making bread, it was a recipe from Julia Child's The Way To Cook bible. It was for a French loaf, and Julia said to take a cup of water and toss it into the bottom of the oven to make the steam, and quickly close the oven door. I followed her instructions. (I was using an electric oven)

My bread had issues with the rising (it had a decent airiness to it, but it sagged out to the side instead of having enough dough stiffness to rise), but the crust was decent. I don't know if the "toss water and hurry up and close" method worked or not, but it would definitely make a larger amount of steam - in a much shorter period of time - compared to a cast iron or misting method.

Not saying it's better - just offering what I think Julia had suggested (that is, I think that's what she had advised. It was about 16 years ago when I tried making it, and my memory may not be perfect).
__________________
Dryer sheets Schmyer sheets
MooreBonds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 07:39 AM   #528
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,056
Quote:
Originally Posted by NW-Bound View Post
About cars, I am not into that, so do not have much to add either. However, I just remember that I happened to run across a Bricklin recently while traveling in New Brunswick, and did take some photos of it. Surely, some people here would remember the Canadian-made Bricklin which was said to be the inspiration for the DeLorean.

Wikipedia said that less than 3,000 Bricklins were made before the company went bankrupt with much controversy involving the then Premier of NB Province. The car I saw had the serial number of 1956. It was said that each car cost $16K to make in 1975 ($68K in 2014 dollars), but was sold for only $5K to be price competitive.
I've heard of the Bricklin, but have never seen one in person. I'm surprised they cut the price to $5,000. Even though 1975 was a long time ago, $5,000 didn't really get you a whole lot of car back then. My grandparents bought a new Dodge Dart Swinger that year, and my Mom bought a new Pontiac LeMans coupe. Each of those was around $5,000.

I used to think it was weird that a 6-cyl compact and a V-8 mid-size would be so close in price, but one day I looked them up in an old car book. A slant-6 Swinger was around $3510 base price and a V-8 LeMans was around $3590. So, by the time you added a things we take for granted today, but were optional in those days, such as power steering, power brakes, a radio (I think even AM was still optional), air conditioning, and so on, it was easy to get them to around $5K.

According to Wikipedia, the '74 Bricklin used an AMC 360 V-8, while the '75-76 used a Ford 351. I'm surprised they'd use a 360 as the basis for a sports car. I'm not too up on my AMC engines, but by '74, I don't think there were any really high performance versions of the 360 around. My uncle had one, in a 1976 Jeep pickup. It was good for pulling tree stumps, and off-roading, but was anything BUT fast.

I don't think Ford was getting much performance out of the 351 by '75-76 either, but at least that was a lighter, smaller engine, and better suited to an exotic car.

Interestingly though, the Wikipedia article said that road tests of the time showed the Bricklin compared favorably to the Corvette. So maybe Bricklin took those boat-anchor engines and hopped them up some? Plus, by that time, Corvette performance had really fallen off. Around the '74-75 timeframe, the fastest US production car was not the Corvette, not the Camaro or Firebird, but, get this...the Dodge Dart Sport/Plymouth Duster, with the high-output Mopar 360 (not to be confused with the AMC 360, which was a totally different engine)
__________________
Andre1969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 08:54 AM   #529
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
JoeWras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,518
I've made bread the old fashioned way. It is a lot of work. I'd love to resurrect my grandmother's recipe, but it very clearly called for cake yeast. I believe it was key to her unique bread. This stuff is now impossible to find. Anyone know of sources for it?

Today, I just use a bread machine, once a week. Better than nothing. And don't tell the gluten police. I actually add gluten to my mixture.
__________________
JoeWras is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 10:56 AM   #530
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: San Jose
Posts: 607
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeWras View Post
I've made bread the old fashioned way. It is a lot of work. I'd love to resurrect my grandmother's recipe, but it very clearly called for cake yeast. I believe it was key to her unique bread. This stuff is now impossible to find. Anyone know of sources for it?
Red Star sells it - Their web site below has a place to enter your zip code to see if there's a place close by that sells it.

Cake Yeast | Red Star Original

If no luck with that, try seeing if a local specialty grocer, or maybe a Whole Foods or Sprouts, could get small batches for you.
__________________
LoneAspen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 12:20 PM   #531
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
HFWR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lawn chair in Texas
Posts: 12,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by brett View Post
Who cares what someone else drives or how they obtained it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer12345 View Post
I tend to agree. Never understood the obsession with cars.
Some do, but I'm not one of them. In fact, I don't really understand the whole obsession with "stuff"...
__________________
Have Funds, Will Retire

...not doing anything of true substance...
HFWR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 01:26 PM   #532
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 7,526
Aldi had the white wheat on clearance this morning for $0.49 cents a loaf. Feeling rather rich, I splurged and picked up 2 loaves. I'm wealthy enough to outsource my breadmaking.
__________________
Retired in 2013 at age 33. Keeping busy reading, blogging, relaxing, gaming, and enjoying the outdoors with my wife and 3 kids (5, 11, and 12).
FUEGO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 01:33 PM   #533
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
MooreBonds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 2,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUEGO View Post
Aldi had the white wheat on clearance this morning for $0.49 cents a loaf. Feeling rather rich, I splurged and picked up 2 loaves. I'm wealthy enough to outsource my breadmaking.
Does Aldi's have much on clearance by you? I've shopped 3 different area Aldi's near my house, and about the only thing I've ever seen on clearance have been the whole, bone-in hams after Easter and Christmas.
__________________
Dryer sheets Schmyer sheets
MooreBonds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 01:51 PM   #534
Full time employment: Posting here.
GTFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 636
Man I love Aldi's, I'd buy everything we need there if only they kept it all in stock.
__________________
GTFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 03:07 PM   #535
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 427
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon-nyc View Post
Although i dont want this to devolve into a discussion about who among us can afford a decent kitchen scale. That would be awkward.
I just upgraded to a new digital scale with a tare function. Finally!!!
__________________
AnIntentionalRoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 03:17 PM   #536
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 427
Quote:
Originally Posted by photoguy View Post

Adding water to make stream never worked for me in my gas oven. I think it vented too quickly.

In addition to a clay pot, you can cook the bread in any covered container where it will steam in its own moisture. I've used a dutch oven, casserole dish, turkey roaster, etc. Just take off the lid midway through baking.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Early Retirement Forum mobile app
I bought a small hand pump garden sprayer. Fill it with hot water and douse the sides of the oven 3 times in 1 minute intervals right after putting loaves in.

The loaves need to be steamed right away before the skin stiffness.
__________________
AnIntentionalRoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 03:19 PM   #537
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Chicago area
Posts: 427
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUEGO View Post
Aldi had the white wheat on clearance this morning for $0.49 cents a loaf. Feeling rather rich, I splurged and picked up 2 loaves. I'm wealthy enough to outsource my breadmaking.
Sorry, that's not actually bread. That's bread-flavored food stuff.
__________________
AnIntentionalRoad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 03:31 PM   #538
Full time employment: Posting here.
CaliforniaMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 846
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnIntentionalRoad View Post
Sorry, that's not actually bread. That's bread-flavored food stuff.
+1 Great comment! Made me laugh! I am glad I didn't post about our making "bread" using a waffle iron.
__________________
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.
CaliforniaMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 04:48 PM   #539
Moderator
MBAustin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,150
Quote:
Originally Posted by calmloki View Post
Baking bread when it is hot has a bit of challenge - do you bake at night before throwing the house open to cool or get up with the dawn..
And then there are those of us who live where it doesn't get cool enough to "throw the house open" from April until October...sigh. Last night it got down to 68 which at least meant it wasn't hot to walk this morning. Progress!
__________________
"One of the funny things about the stock market is that every time one person buys, another sells, and both think they are astute." William Feather
----------------------------------
ER'd Oct. 2010 at 53. Life is good.
MBAustin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 05:10 PM   #540
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
calmloki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Independence
Posts: 5,459
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnIntentionalRoad View Post
I bought a small hand pump garden sprayer. Fill it with hot water and douse the sides of the oven 3 times in 1 minute intervals right after putting loaves in.

The loaves need to be steamed right away before the skin stiffness.
I use my covered cast iron pans - chicken roasters or slant sided cook pots - and throw 3-4 ice cubes in on the oven rack after I put the bread in. I imagine it makes for a bit longer steam time, but who knows!

In an alliterative addition to the bread and auto digressions, I've been playing with my new-to-me 1997 buttless bimmer - a 318ti. Not many around now, and even fewer with the very impractical cloth California roof. The 318ti was BMW's cheapest car back then, a hatch to which America said "Eh. Meh". Gonna feel real fine parking it next to the ranks of more common luxury cars down south, which only cost their owners 20-30 times more money to buy.
__________________

__________________
calmloki is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Awkward Holiday Photos REWahoo Other topics 28 12-20-2012 12:07 AM
How to avoid an awkward prenup discussion when you have adult children... Nords FIRE and Money 24 08-12-2011 11:08 AM
when LBYM gets awkward figner FIRE and Money 44 05-17-2011 03:52 PM
From the fine folks who brought us Awkward Family Photos... REWahoo Other topics 14 07-16-2010 10:30 AM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:19 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.