book recommendation for my mom

kiki · 10-20-2007, 10:54 AM

My mom currently has an IRA account at Edward Jones and is invested in loaded funds (5.75%) with ER's ranging from .50 to 1.0. I've been trying to explain why fees are bad, but it's been difficult, because what she has is making her money. I've also tried to explain that she's taking too much risk. I don't know her exact equity/fixedincome ratio, but it's very high in equities.

Unfortunately, she feels happy with what she has, since it has done well for her. This isn't much of a surprise because of the run up in equity markets for the last few years. And then when I talk about how much risk she wants to take, she says none...

So what I'm looking for are book recommendations that explain risk and fees in very basic terms, but is also very readable and short. I was thinking something along the lines of Coffehouse Investor, but I'm not sure she'll care for the writing style.

I'd love to hear any recommendations. Thanks!

Buckeye · 10-20-2007, 05:41 PM

Are you close enough to sit with her and read the book to her? I think The Four Pillars of Investing has it all but you would probably have to read it to her to make sure she understood it and you could gloss over the complicated parts.

LOL! · 10-20-2007, 05:51 PM

Scott Burns has a column on fees this week: How Much Do You Pay For Financial Services? - Financial Investment

TromboneAl · 10-20-2007, 07:16 PM

Good luck with this. Many of us have gone through this. Most likely: she'll read part of the book, but still be sure that her adviser is doing a good job, and you'll be frustrated.

Another outcome: you finally convince her, she switches to Vanguard funds, the market takes a big downturn, and you are blamed.

travelover · 10-20-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TromboneAl

........, but still be sure that her adviser is doing a good job, and you'll be frustrated...........

Amen. I was visiting my MIL earlier this week when she took a call from her broker, obviously churning her portfolio (and my stomach). MIL is sure this guy is her friend.

All I can say is, at least she is solvent....

Brat · 10-20-2007, 08:41 PM

There are a couple chapters in Ray Lucia's first book "Buckets of Money" that might be suitable. The current edition goes beyond 'basic'.

I visited my cuz earlier this week. Their financial advisor happened to be at their dining room table. It was all that I could do not to gag.

Maybe it is because I have always been a big city gal, but the fact that he hadn't heard of Craig's List threw me. I kept far away from the subject of investing but he was obviously uncomfortable with my presence and fled at the first opportune moment.

kiki · 10-20-2007, 10:37 PM

Thanks for the feedback. This is something that I've been avoiding for awhile, but I feel guilty letting it be. I figure if she at least understands what she's doing, then at least she's making a conscious choice.

TromboneAl, you hit on exactly what I worry about and my primary reason for avoiding this situation: a market downturn after she'd reallocate her investments. I'd hate to deal with that one...

Btw, I think I'll avoid finding a single book and instead provide her with specific parts of books to get certain fundamental ideas down (risk, fees, going with average, etc).

Brat · 10-20-2007, 10:46 PM

The advantage of Lucia's approach is that when you approach retirement you set aside cash to cover the first 7 years, and then another "bucket" in very secure investments for the next 7 years. The balance goes into equities which you let ride for 14 years without worrying. Hence the phrase "Buckets of Money". He doesn't dis financial planners (after all he is one), but he doesn't approve of their charging fees or customers paying loads for cash/bond investments.

There are a couple threads where we 'discuss' this approach.

twaddle · 10-20-2007, 11:02 PM

DIY investing is not for everybody. In fact, William Bernstein, everybody's favorite author, argues that it's a good fit for very few people:

The Probability of Success

You mom has already paid her front-end load. Let her stick with her advisor.

kiki · 10-21-2007, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twaddle

You mom has already paid her front-end load. Let her stick with her advisor.

The problem is that she keeps paying the load. I don't expect her to invest and really my main concern is that she's has too a high percentage in equities.

If I was able to pick an investment for her, then I'd try to keep it extremely simple and choose a targetted retirement fund from vanguard.

ERD50 · 10-21-2007, 12:44 PM

Agreed, it's kind of touchy - how about this approach?

Put together a portfolio for her on paper. Track it for a while, versus her portfolio. You might need to do some graphs with EOM values to show if her investments are higher volatility (only one measure of risk), but it might get her attention, and it would keep you out of trouble since it was just on paper.

It might be especially effective to show how much is going to fees, versus index funds/ETFs.

-ERD50

10-20-2007, 10:54 AM	#1
kiki Dryer sheet aficionado Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 49	book recommendation for my mom My mom currently has an IRA account at Edward Jones and is invested in loaded funds (5.75%) with ER's ranging from .50 to 1.0. I've been trying to explain why fees are bad, but it's been difficult, because what she has is making her money. I've also tried to explain that she's taking too much risk. I don't know her exact equity/fixedincome ratio, but it's very high in equities. Unfortunately, she feels happy with what she has, since it has done well for her. This isn't much of a surprise because of the run up in equity markets for the last few years. And then when I talk about how much risk she wants to take, she says none... So what I'm looking for are book recommendations that explain risk and fees in very basic terms, but is also very readable and short. I was thinking something along the lines of Coffehouse Investor, but I'm not sure she'll care for the writing style. I'd love to hear any recommendations. Thanks!

10-20-2007, 07:16 PM	#4
TromboneAl Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,105	Good luck with this. Many of us have gone through this. Most likely: she'll read part of the book, but still be sure that her adviser is doing a good job, and you'll be frustrated. Another outcome: you finally convince her, she switches to Vanguard funds, the market takes a big downturn, and you are blamed. __________________ - Al -- Always serious, never joking. No, wait. Never serious... Always... I forget.

10-20-2007, 08:41 PM	#6
Brat Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,822	There are a couple chapters in Ray Lucia's first book "Buckets of Money" that might be suitable. The current edition goes beyond 'basic'. I visited my cuz earlier this week. Their financial advisor happened to be at their dining room table. It was all that I could do not to gag. Maybe it is because I have always been a big city gal, but the fact that he hadn't heard of Craig's List threw me. I kept far away from the subject of investing but he was obviously uncomfortable with my presence and fled at the first opportune moment. __________________ Duck bjorn. Last edited by Brat; 10-20-2007 at 08:47 PM. Reason: added info

10-20-2007, 10:37 PM	#7
kiki Dryer sheet aficionado Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 49	Thanks for the feedback. This is something that I've been avoiding for awhile, but I feel guilty letting it be. I figure if she at least understands what she's doing, then at least she's making a conscious choice. TromboneAl, you hit on exactly what I worry about and my primary reason for avoiding this situation: a market downturn after she'd reallocate her investments. I'd hate to deal with that one... Btw, I think I'll avoid finding a single book and instead provide her with specific parts of books to get certain fundamental ideas down (risk, fees, going with average, etc). Last edited by kiki; 10-20-2007 at 10:43 PM.

10-20-2007, 10:46 PM	#8
Brat Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,822	The advantage of Lucia's approach is that when you approach retirement you set aside cash to cover the first 7 years, and then another "bucket" in very secure investments for the next 7 years. The balance goes into equities which you let ride for 14 years without worrying. Hence the phrase "Buckets of Money". He doesn't dis financial planners (after all he is one), but he doesn't approve of their charging fees or customers paying loads for cash/bond investments. There are a couple threads where we 'discuss' this approach. __________________ Duck bjorn.

10-20-2007, 05:41 PM	#2
Buckeye Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 457	Are you close enough to sit with her and read the book to her? I think The Four Pillars of Investing has it all but you would probably have to read it to her to make sure she understood it and you could gloss over the complicated parts.

10-20-2007, 05:51 PM	#3
LOL! Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,266	Scott Burns has a column on fees this week: How Much Do You Pay For Financial Services? - Financial Investment

10-20-2007, 11:02 PM	#9
twaddle Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,377	DIY investing is not for everybody. In fact, William Bernstein, everybody's favorite author, argues that it's a good fit for very few people: The Probability of Success You mom has already paid her front-end load. Let her stick with her advisor. __________________ Favorite ERF quote: "I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's more interested in being stubborn or obtuse or intolerant." -- Nords Favorite ERF error message: "Sorry Nords is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

10-21-2007, 12:44 PM	#11
ERD50 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Northern IL Posts: 3,631	Agreed, it's kind of touchy - how about this approach? Put together a portfolio for her on paper. Track it for a while, versus her portfolio. You might need to do some graphs with EOM values to show if her investments are higher volatility (only one measure of risk), but it might get her attention, and it would keep you out of trouble since it was just on paper. It might be especially effective to show how much is going to fees, versus index funds/ETFs. -ERD50

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