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Old 10-17-2004, 01:15 AM   #41
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Ahhhh, cars, I love this subject !

As far as reliability and toyotas are concerned, I really need to second this. *I had an 83' celica (22R motor) that did well over 250k miles, and an 86 4x4 xtra cab pickup (22R motor) that did well over 200k as well. *Both were manual transmissions, which I consider a must in these vehicles. *I now drive a 98 4x4 xtra cab toyota truck and I love it and will keep it until the connecting rods from the motor shoot thru the roof !

To bruce1 with the Charger.... I bought a 69 camaro convertible about 10 years ago to restore. *My career started picking up speed and it only got worked on rarely but I kept it. *It will be out of the paint shop in a couple of weeks. *I recently looked at what these things were selling for and I couldn't believe it. *I paid $1000 for this thing and drove it home, it's worth somewhere over $10,000 now ! *Granted, with all the $$ and time I put into it, it's probably a break even sale, but still ! *Oh yeah, and since you are a Mopar fan, you'll like this and it will make you feel better about selling the Charger. *When I was in High School, my best friend had a 1969 Roadrunner Convertible with a 440 six pack. *Non matching numbers, but it was a real Road Runner ! *He sold it very cheap back then. *Do you know what a real Roadrunner convertible is worth today with a 440 + 6 even w/o matching #'s ? *Plenty !

Trumpeting Angel... Sell the damn van ! *It's probably still worth some decent coin and although you will have to pay some $$ to trade up, I say it's worth it. *May I suggest a nice 1969 Camaro convertible ??!! *Seriously, dump it and get something you like.
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Old 10-17-2004, 03:32 AM   #42
 
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Hello panhead. Interested in your comments about
Toyotas. I have lusted after a Toyota Tacoma 4 x 4
for years and never yet owned one. Not sure how many vehicles I have owned/leased (lots). But,
considering all factors (cost to buy, recovery at sale,
low maintenance and driving enjoyment) the Mazda Miatas did it for me (I owned 2 - none presently).

Biking season is about over here, unless I haul it to Texas again this winter. Doubt that I will. Had some real nice trips though.
The 2 best were weekenders up along the Mississippi
River between Wisc. and Minn. Near Cut-Throat
country

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Old 10-17-2004, 07:16 AM   #43
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I saw an absolutely beautiful Porsche 944 today. It was white, and the ugly black trim/spoiler that the white ones have had been painted over or removed.

These cars are good, and if kept nice I think they often appreciate, rather than depreciate.
Don't count on it. *The FEPs (Front Engine Porsches) are in general the unloved children of the Porsche family. *They don't appreciate and don't even hold their value. *They are however inexpensive to buy and can be relatively inexpensive to own if you do much of your own maintenance. *If you are seriously considering one then there are a number of good web boards and email lists and I recommend the ones off of the RennList - www.rennlist.com *The Porsche Usenet newsgroups are worthless - full of flamers (i.e. 18 year olds trying to explain how their modified Civic toasts 911 twin turbos) and pretenders (i.e. 18 year olds masquerading as Hörst the Porsche factory mechanic with 30 years experience).

In fact except for certain special models most Porsches don't appreciate in value they are too common. *You need one of the much rarer and initially more expensive cars to have hope of reasonable appreciation. *The cost of the maintenance and presesrvation on many of these cars negates any of their appreciation too. *That in general means that you want to buy the best possible car that you can find short of buying a concourse winner (10/10). *The cost to bring a car up to 9/10 level far exceeds the price you can expect to sell one for.

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Did I say I want one?
Just be aware that they are aging - the last one was made in 1991 and those ones were made in rather limited numbers. *The bulk of them come from the mid to late 80's. *That means that lots of stuff is now getting ready to fail and if you drive them as they were intended to be driven those aging components are even more likely to fail. *It's not quite the same thing as driving an old Honda Civic to work and to the grocery store. *You might want to consider a 968 (last descendent of the 944 line). *These were last made in 1995 and you can often pick up a good coupe for ~$15-18K. *The convertibles will go for more. *Expect all the records and be wary of modified cars.

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Ex-owner of ex-working 1987 Porsche 944 Turbo modified and used for autocrossing. *The timing belt went after 25K miles (Porsche recommends 45K) that caused lots valve damage to expensive sodium filled valves.
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Old 10-17-2004, 10:50 AM   #44
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Thanks for the good words, guys.

I think I am going to get rid of the van. Once I fix the scrapes and clean out the hockey drek, it will look again like a low-mileage, clean, gently-used car. no sense driving something up high to feel safe but not being able to handle it properly. Although I only have difficulty in parking and tight-squeeze situations, it bothers me that the car is simply bigger than I seem able to get used to.

It's snowing in Montana today!!

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Old 10-17-2004, 11:46 AM   #45
 
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8) I am still working but looking to bail next spring. I dirive a LOT; 23k since January when I grabbed an "04 Toyota Prius (hybrid) high 40's mpg in cold weather and over 50mpg in warmer weather. The car has the same interior space as a Camry and stuff such as voice recognition controls NAV system and airbags all around to protect all limbs and orifices. The car zipo alon very nicely and has great low end torque due to the elec motor and hugely exceeds all emission standards. Does it seem like I enjoy the car? The earlier version has been on the road for several years now and there has not been a reported battery pack failure (a bank of nimh's beneath the hatch area). The irony is that there is a diminishing yearly tax deduction (was 2000 and dropped to 1500 this year) whereas, I understand, Hummers owned by a business are eligible for much better tax treatment as they can be fudged into a tax break meant to help businesses with heavy vehicle requirements. Rick
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8) * The irony is that there is a diminishing yearly tax deduction (was 2000 and dropped to 1500 this year) whereas, I understand, Hummers owned by a business are eligible for much better tax treatment as they can be fudged into a tax break meant to help businesses with heavy vehicle requirements. *Rick
Sounds typical. "Buy a Hummer, send a soldier to death securing your fuel supply"

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Just be aware that they are aging - the last one was made in 1991 and those ones were made in rather limited numbers. *The bulk of them come from the mid to late 80's. *That means that lots of stuff is now getting ready to fail and if you drive them as they were intended to be driven those aging components are even more likely to fail.
Thanks for a very detailed and well informed reply. My son has an '01 911 Twin T, but he has the money to care for it.

My father -in-law has an old 944 in nice shape, but since he is 91, I don't think he really "drives it like it is supposed to be driven." For him, it's more of a girl catcher. (Not that I have any clue what he does with the girls he catches.)

I think you have mentined good reasons for me to stay away from these cars, or anything similar. Although I still have a garage full of mechanics tools, I no longer get much pleasure out of using them. But I don't want to take on the expense of paying someone to do it.

Better I stick to rice-burners

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Old 10-17-2004, 04:24 PM   #48
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Geez, you guys like Porsches eh ? I saw a really nice one today. Brand new Porsche Carrera Gt. I think this is about $500K yes ? Beautiful, black, and a sound like I've never heard coming from a porsche motor before. I'm still in Germany, and I saw it in downtown Munich. Very good place for it here with the autobahns and such.

Hey John Galt !! Yeah, I've actually owned 3 toyota 4x4 trucks, the Tacoma being the latest. I absolutely love em'. I tend to buy fairly stripped down models, no toys, just AC. Roll up windows, no power locks etc. I still don't trust European automatics and probably never will. They don't know how to make em right, b/c they don't make em to sell anywhere but in the US. I'll recommend the toyota all day. 4x4 is excellent. Payload seems good, I've had the 700lb harley in it with no problems, and lots more stuff as well. Pulls a 1700 lb boat/trailer w/o trailer brakes and does well at that as well. The 4 cylinder is notoriously underpowered, but if you're not in a hurry and you use the gears, she's fine. I also prefer jap 4 cylinders for the same reasons as the standard trannys, they know how to make em'. The rear area of the extra cab has seats, and you can stick a pretty good sized guy back there, but not for long. Let me know if you have any specific questions and I'll fill in.

Trumpeting angel, good call and good luck. Maybe you should consider the porsche carrera I saw ? I could retire now if I just had one to sell !

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Old 10-17-2004, 04:40 PM   #49
 
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This is for Anne. I love Montana, also Idaho, Wyoming,
Michigan, Wisconsin, but not the winters, Where we
are now (Northern Illinois) winters are relatively mild
usually. The thing is, I hate the cold weather and not
working makes the winters awfully long for me. My
dear wife is okay with me heading south but I feel guilty,
plus I would like it if she came along with me. I tell you,
it's a real conundrum. Cabin fever is already setting in
and the river is not even frozen yet. As Homer
Simpson would say Doh!!!

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And you don't fly, right, John? She has to stay in IL to work? What a mess! How long are you two apart?

I have had relationships which were improved by time apart, and those which suffered from it. The better relationships, believe it or not, improved. In the not-as-good relationship, time apart caused me to let the veil drop from my eyes and see reality more clearly when we were back together. Not good!

My favorite time of loving winter was in Vermont in college. I'm convinced it was because (1) I didn't own a car, (2) didn't have a job and (3) someone else was in charge of the plowing. We walked everywhere, just putting on several more layers than normal people usually wear, and were reasonably comfortable.

I started feeling just as unhappy as everyone else about winter in Vermont after I had to go to work. Getting up an hour earlier to clear off the driveway and the vehicle, bring in extra wood for the wood stove, and return to the driveway after breakfast to clear the pile of snow left by the plow was no fun. Leaving earlier than usual so I could drive slowly to keep from sliding off the road was no fun. Putting boots and snowsuits on 25 kindergarteners TWICE in a half-day class (once for recess, once again for the bus) and repeating the process for the afternoon kids was no fun. Winter was just too much work! But I loved the Vermont winter in college. The silence, the beauty of the pine woods, the clean snow, the Northern lights - it was incomparable.

Snowshoes improved winter. As does ice skating.

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