|
|
11-02-2019, 07:11 PM
|
#21
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: North Oregon Coast
Posts: 16,483
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeWras
The tax debate reminds me of being in Greece where every merchant really wanted cold, hard cash.
Hey, I want to bring up a reverse point to this. My credit union will give you a really good rate on your savings account only if you use your debit card over 30 times per month.
|
That is a lot. My credit union will give their savings rate (now 1.75%, was 2% a few months ago) on checking if you do a few things, one of them being using their credit or debit card 10 times a month. Since we have about 5 or 6 bills set to autopay with their credit card it's a pretty easy thing to do. But 30 times?? Wow.
__________________
"Hey, for every ten dollars, that's another hour that I have to be in the work place. That's an hour of my life. And my life is a very finite thing. I have only 'x' number of hours left before I'm dead. So how do I want to use these hours of my life? Do I want to use them just spending it on more crap and more stuff, or do I want to start getting a handle on it and using my life more intelligently?" -- Joe Dominguez (1938 - 1997)
|
|
|
|
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!
Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!
|
11-02-2019, 07:37 PM
|
#22
|
Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 9,176
|
I bit of a tangent, but I recently gave a gift to charity. The gift was $1K. My credit card was charged for about $1,025. I guess some financial entities have figured out how not to have to bear the burden of the credit card fees. Note, I didn’t mind but it was interesting as I had never seen that done before.
__________________
Every day when I open my eyes now it feels like a Saturday - David Gray
|
|
|
11-02-2019, 07:55 PM
|
#23
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 6,180
|
When "computer fairs" were frequent and popular in my area (from the mid-1990s to early 2010s), and a cheaper way to buy components, discounts for cash were common among many of the vendors.
__________________
FIREd date: June 26, 2018 - "This Happy Feeling, Going Round and Round!" (GQ)
|
|
|
11-02-2019, 08:35 PM
|
#24
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,912
|
When we travel in Asia it is not unusual for some vendors to charge extra for credit card transactions..usually 3 percent.
When we travel in parts of Europe we often ask is there is a discount for cash. There usually in smaller hotels, b and b's. Usually ten percent. Others request cash at time of booking.
We pay everything we can by credit card providing there is no upcharge. Insurance, utiliites, dental, etc.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 05:00 AM
|
#25
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 11,702
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziggy29
But 30 times?? Wow.
|
3.00% APR on the first $10k in the account. I'm not a fan of this. I always said when I retired, I'd do things like write letters or have meetings with board members and express my displeasure. But that's boring.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry1
I bit of a tangent, but I recently gave a gift to charity. The gift was $1K. My credit card was charged for about $1,025. I guess some financial entities have figured out how not to have to bear the burden of the credit card fees.
|
There VERY LIKELY was some fine print on this, and possibly a small box to opt out of the automatic CC charge.
As a treasurer of a non-profit, I was very aware of this. We chose to not enable those automatic charges, but instead just put in a note to opt in. Frankly, for our small charity, anything we got was gravy, and credit cards were really the only way people would give.
__________________
Retired Class of 2018
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 05:18 AM
|
#26
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,373
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardsFan
For the record, I know a guy that hid a lot "under the table'. Guess what, his SS was not much when he retired.
Call me anal, but anymore, every tip goes on the CC. If I can pay taxes, you can pay taxes. Sorry, just me.
|
That's my concern and, to answer a previous question, I have no affiliation with the IRS other than as a taxpayer. People like the guy described above eventually end up on needs-based social programs because they evaded SS.
In addition to not paying their fair share of the cost of public benefits (roads, police force, etc.) these businesses may be evading other responsibilities. I made the mistake of having some guys passing by in a truck trim some of my trees. Their flyer said they were "fully insured". I paid by check and he came back an hour later frantic because he couldn't cash it because my bank was out-of-state. I had to go to the ATM and get real cash. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that he was accurately recording payroll/income and reporting it to his liability and Worker's Comp insurers. If, OTOH, he had zero coverage I might have been liable if they'd been injured and they might not have had coverage if a branch fell and destroyed part of my property.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 06:22 AM
|
#27
|
Full time employment: Posting here.
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 792
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry1
I bit of a tangent, but I recently gave a gift to charity. The gift was $1K. My credit card was charged for about $1,025. I guess some financial entities have figured out how not to have to bear the burden of the credit card fees. Note, I didn’t mind but it was interesting as I had never seen that done before.
|
I see that more and more, where when giving online there is a checkbox asking if you'll pay the fees for your having donated via credit card. I go ahead and do it.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 07:04 AM
|
#28
|
Recycles dryer sheets
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Beautiful UP
Posts: 243
|
Here in our end of paradise, 65 miles from Paradise and 325 miles from Hell, there is a growing number of stores that do the upcharge. Also a number of services-haircut, dog groomer and the like that do not take CC/DC but will take your check.
A couple of our frequently shopped retailers have provided us with an instore charge, to get around the fee.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 07:16 AM
|
#29
|
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Elyria, OH
Posts: 1,937
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by athena53
I made the mistake of having some guys passing by in a truck trim some of my trees. Their flyer said they were "fully insured". I paid by check and he came back an hour later frantic because he couldn't cash it because my bank was out-of-state. I had to go to the ATM and get real cash. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that he was accurately recording payroll/income and reporting it to his liability and Worker's Comp insurers. If, OTOH, he had zero coverage I might have been liable if they'd been injured and they might not have had coverage if a branch fell and destroyed part of my property.
|
I've paid 3 contractors this year by check to avoid paying their 3% surcharges for using a credit card. I don't have a local bank. None had a problem with my checks.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 07:23 AM
|
#30
|
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,659
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldShooter
Edit: Re debit cards, I know there was recent litigation because card processors were charging merchants the same price for CCs and for debit cards. I don't know how or if it got settled however. As a former merchant, I would probably not give a different discount for the two types just because of the amount of screwing around that might be necessary to differentiate them. Maybe in a highly automated environment like a grocery store it would be feasible to do this, though.
|
Gas stations have been trying to steer customers to debit cards for years. Swipe (or insert) your card and the screen shows some very misleading wording to try to get you to press the "right" button. At the place I usually go to, you have to know to press "cancel" or your credit card is used as a debit card, instead.
Apparently, merchant fees on debit cards are much lower.
Many of the chain gas stations around here now offer a "members" price of about 10 cents less per gallon. By "member," they mean someone who has signed up for direct withdrawal from their checking account, instead of paying by credit or debit card. Apparently, that's even cheaper.
I still get 5% off gas using my PenFed card, which means at anything over $2/gallon I'm getting more than 10 cents off anyway, so I've avoided both debit cards and memberships.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 07:57 AM
|
#31
|
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,321
|
I remember as a kid in the early 70s standing in line behind someone who was asking for a discount for cash and patiently explained the fees on the new VISA card (remember those three stripes) to the merchant. It was an education for me. Fast forward 50 years and banking and credit card companies have perfected the art of shaving the 'Golden Crumbs' or in the case of monthly interest charges just taking a third of the cake. More power to the butcher and those paying cash!
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 08:05 AM
|
#32
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 11,078
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by athena53
That's my concern and, to answer a previous question, I have no affiliation with the IRS other than as a taxpayer. People like the guy described above eventually end up on needs-based social programs because they evaded SS.
In addition to not paying their fair share of the cost of public benefits (roads, police force, etc.) these businesses may be evading other responsibilities. I made the mistake of having some guys passing by in a truck trim some of my trees. Their flyer said they were "fully insured". I paid by check and he came back an hour later frantic because he couldn't cash it because my bank was out-of-state. I had to go to the ATM and get real cash. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that he was accurately recording payroll/income and reporting it to his liability and Worker's Comp insurers. If, OTOH, he had zero coverage I might have been liable if they'd been injured and they might not have had coverage if a branch fell and destroyed part of my property.
|
+1000
My 10 years in logging and sawmills convinced me to NEVER believe a trimmer or logger. They go out of the way to not be insured or legal.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 08:21 AM
|
#33
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sarasota, FL & Vermont
Posts: 36,371
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry1
I bit of a tangent, but I recently gave a gift to charity. The gift was $1K. My credit card was charged for about $1,025. I guess some financial entities have figured out how not to have to bear the burden of the credit card fees. Note, I didn’t mind but it was interesting as I had never seen that done before.
|
For some of the charities that I give to online they give me the option to increase the donation for x% to cover their credit card fees.... I wonder if you inadvertently elected to do that.
__________________
If something cannot endure laughter.... it cannot endure.
Patience is the art of concealing your impatience.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Retired Jan 2012 at age 56
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 08:24 AM
|
#34
|
gone traveling
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 309
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by athena53
Yeah, except that I'm always skeptical of businesses that are all or mostly cash. Do they pay taxes on all of it? It's just a lot easier to evade the IRS, avoid paying into SS, etc. My local pro footbal.baseball stadium offers a discount if you pay for parking on-line but if you just show up with your car it's $60. CASH.
Closer to the OT, I once tried to fill my car at a gas station and found that they took only cash or debit cards- a detail not posted on the sign showing the price. Their prices matched the one down the street that DID take credit cards. I thought that was pretty darned deceptive. I left without getting any gas.
|
It's interesting how brainwashed our society has become, if you accept cash "a legal form of tender" you must be breaking the law and not paying taxes/ss etc.
It's logical and courteous to offer a cash discount as it's been mentioned most businesses don't have high margins and if they can save a few dollars it's great that they pass that on to us.
I deal with a fair amount of contractors and a high percentage of transactions I get a decent discount if I pay with cash (sometimes I don't even ask and they offer) I assume that they are paying taxes/ss and since I'm paying cash I doubt they think it's drug money
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 08:24 AM
|
#35
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sarasota, FL & Vermont
Posts: 36,371
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptTom
Gas stations have been trying to steer customers to debit cards for years. Swipe (or insert) your card and the screen shows some very misleading wording to try to get you to press the "right" button. At the place I usually go to, you have to know to press "cancel" or your credit card is used as a debit card, instead. ...
|
How would my credit card be used as a debit card when I don't have a bank account (either savings or checking) at any of the banks that issue my credit cards?
__________________
If something cannot endure laughter.... it cannot endure.
Patience is the art of concealing your impatience.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Retired Jan 2012 at age 56
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 08:26 AM
|
#36
|
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: City
Posts: 10,351
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by athena53
That's my concern and, to answer a previous question, I have no affiliation with the IRS other than as a taxpayer. People like the guy described above eventually end up on needs-based social programs because they evaded SS.
In addition to not paying their fair share of the cost of public benefits (roads, police force, etc.) these businesses may be evading other responsibilities. ...
|
I get all that. What I don't get from yours or any other outraged posts is why you are spun up about it. There are lots of things to not like, ranging from corrupt government officials to excesses in the UN budget. I can't imagine having the energy to get spun up about everything I don't like and I don't understand why this one is at all special.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 12:49 PM
|
#37
|
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,321
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmallCityDave
It's interesting how brainwashed our society has become, if you accept cash "a legal form of tender" you must be breaking the law and not paying taxes/ss etc.
It's logical and courteous to offer a cash discount as it's been mentioned most businesses don't have high margins and if they can save a few dollars it's great that they pass that on to us.
I deal with a fair amount of contractors and a high percentage of transactions I get a decent discount if I pay with cash (sometimes I don't even ask and they offer) I assume that they are paying taxes/ss and since I'm paying cash I doubt they think it's drug money
|
Completely agree. Taking cash in order to evade taxes certainly occurs but the idea that I should pay an extra 3-5% for every last thing I purchase for the 'convenience' of not having to carry cash around is sadly hilarious. Credit card companies add very little in the way of value to the world (AFAIK) and their interest rates are usurious (though I know that they would say that there are many really, really good reasons that they should be so high).
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 01:14 PM
|
#38
|
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 40,715
|
Most of us here have cash back credit cards that return 1.5% - 2% of purchases, so a 3% cash discount is really 1% - 1.5%. Paying with credit card has other benefits, so I’ll continue to use it and disregard the cash discounts.
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 02:35 PM
|
#39
|
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Syracuse
Posts: 3,502
|
I just saved 5¢ a gallon on gas by using cash.
My barber and barkeep do not accept credit cards. The barber has an ATM, the bar owner will run a tab if he knows you. Both felt the CC companies were getting to much a cut of their business.
I'm sure they both pay their taxes.
__________________
“No, not rich. I am a poor man with money, which is not the same thing"
|
|
|
11-03-2019, 02:43 PM
|
#40
|
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Flyover country
Posts: 25,356
|
This thread is really making me laugh, thinking about all those predictions about a cashless society being right around the corner.
__________________
I thought growing old would take longer.
|
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Threads
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
» Quick Links
|
|
|