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Old 09-07-2017, 09:30 AM   #1
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CNN Article on Wealth

To me it's interesting to understand other people's perspective on what wealth is.

What 'wealth' means to women - Sep. 6, 2017

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"Women prefer security to material wealth or luxury. When asked which they'd prefer, never having to worry about money in the future or being able to buy whatever they want right now, 84% of women said they'd prefer peace of mind in the future, compared to 78% of men.
On average, the women surveyed said they'd consider around $2.4 million the number required to be considered "wealthy." That's nearly 30 times the net worth of U.S. households.
Of the 1,000 people Schwab surveyed, 27% defined wealth as reaching a specific savings goal. Of those, women chose a slightly higher amount than men. But the difference between estimates from men and women wasn't huge: men picked closer to $2.38 million, women picked closer to $2.39 million."
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The authors are stretching to find differences between men and women on this subject

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They also prefer security to material wealth or luxury. When asked which they'd prefer, never having to worry about money in the future or being able to buy whatever they want right now, 84% of women said they'd prefer peace of mind in the future, compared to 78% of men.
84% v/s 78% - that's like the ridiculous hilarious debates we have here about the exact SWR.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:16 AM   #3
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To me it's interesting to understand other people's perspective on what wealth is.

What 'wealth' means to women - Sep. 6, 2017

From the article:

"Women prefer security to material wealth or luxury. When asked which they'd prefer, never having to worry about money in the future or being able to buy whatever they want right now, 84% of women said they'd prefer peace of mind in the future, compared to 78% of men.
On average, the women surveyed said they'd consider around $2.4 million the number required to be considered "wealthy." That's nearly 30 times the net worth of U.S. households.
Of the 1,000 people Schwab surveyed, 27% defined wealth as reaching a specific savings goal. Of those, women chose a slightly higher amount than men. But the difference between estimates from men and women wasn't huge: men picked closer to $2.38 million, women picked closer to $2.39 million."
Interesting article. Were they asking woman that worked in the grocery store? Or woman that had husbands for Doctors.? Im assuming the later. They should have rang a few doorbells in my old neighborhood. The Avon lady still came to our place, definately not Charles Schwab and company.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:27 AM   #4
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Interesting article. Were they asking woman that worked in the grocery store? Or woman that had husbands for Doctors.? Im assuming the later. They should have rang a few doorbells in my old neighborhood. The Avon lady still came to our place, definately not Charles Schwab and company.
Yeah, if you asked the average person on the street I bet they would say 1 million.
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Sample size was 1000 and was supposed to span "all demographics" - for instance 275 boomers out of the 1000. I agree the number is high and the sampling technique likely selected something other than "representative across all demographics".


This is not scholarly research and more a sales tool for Schwab (says captain obvious....)
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Yeah, if you asked the average person on the street I bet they would say 1 million.
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Sample size was 1000 and was supposed to span "all demographics" - for instance 275 boomers out of the 1000. I agree the number is high and the sampling technique likely selected something other than "representative across all demographics".


This is not scholarly research and more a sales tool for Schwab (says captain obvious....)
Ahh, this makes sense , a sales tool +1
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"When asked which they'd prefer, never having to worry about money in the future or being able to buy whatever they want right now, 84% of women said they'd prefer peace of mind in the future, compared to 78% of men."
If I could buy whatever I want right now, I would buy an annuity that gives off several million dollars a year....
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84% of women said they'd prefer peace of mind in the future, compared to 78% of men.
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Key word here is Said.
In real life most women I know, like most men I know, spend instead of save.
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If I could buy whatever I want right now, I would buy an annuity that gives off several million dollars a year....
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LOL...That is like the classic answer to "What if a genie appeared and granted you one wish?" "I'd wish for unlimited wishes!" I've been locked and loaded for that genie since I was 8....

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If I could buy whatever I want right now, I would buy an annuity that gives off several million dollars a year....
Easy to do. Example, if you want 3m a year for 5 years, just pay 16m up front.
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"In our society, there's some peg that you're a millionaire, you're in the 2%" -- is that closer to ~10%?

From the Schwab PR: "Locals say it takes $3.2 million to be considered wealthy in NYC. About half (48 percent) say they are already millionaires or believe they can reach that level, while the other half (52 percent) say they don’t have any hope."

I think their "key national findings" showed something much more substantive than the gender differences described in the CNN story: the kids are alright! RIP Keith
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3.2 M in NYC- "wealthy " : nah, "comfortable " maybe

Over 2 M in LCOL area: comfortable, but not wealthy
(Yeh , we're "comfortable ")

Over 10 M-- now you're talking
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If you can imagine buying anything you want now, by definition to me you wouldn't need to worry about money in the future. Same things as I see it.
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The authors are stretching to find differences between men and women on this subject

84% v/s 78% - that's like the ridiculous hilarious debates we have here about the exact SWR.

Everyone knows the right SWR is 3.28596%.
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3.2 M in NYC- "wealthy " : nah, "comfortable " maybe

Over 2 M in LCOL area: comfortable, but not wealthy
(Yeh , we're "comfortable ")

Over 10 M-- now you're talking
+1 Im with you on all 3 points.
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We can discuss what the number will be, but we will never agree on what should be included in that number, or how to calculate those elements.

The typical bandits:

How do we value Pensions? (With or without COLA)
How do we value Social Security? (And then of course, when should we take it?)
How do we value health care that is paid for by a previous employer?
How do we value large assets, that may be illiquid? (Homes, businesses, farm land, artwork)

And then- What do you use for expected lifespan, future market returns, inflation, changes in the tax landscape, changes in the healthcare landscape, etc.
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3.2 M in NYC- "wealthy " : nah, "comfortable " maybe

Over 2 M in LCOL area: comfortable, but not wealthy
(Yeh , we're "comfortable ")

Over 10 M-- now you're talking
Depends on age too, right?

If you're 18 and have $1M, you're rich. If you're 65 and have $1m, you have just barely enough to retire on...
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If you liked that article, then there is this one today in the NYTimes about "the rich" and just mostly about women in NY who might be considered rich and what they spend their money on:

What the Rich Won't Tell You

Not covered in the article is that the rich wipe their butts just like the rest of us.
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