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Old 12-09-2015, 11:11 AM   #41
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I pay $74/mo for 50/50 internet from Verizon FiOS, which includes the broadcast TV tier (all local OTA channels plus maybe a dozen others). That's the no-contract, non-teaser rate and includes all taxes/fees. The new-customer, teaser rate for same service is $50/mo plus tax.

Home phone is free using Obi plus Google Voice. We subscribe to Netflix for $8/mo. Also use Kodi for other streaming sources and for EPG and DVR capability. Two smartphones on Ting average about $35/mo. Total is $117/mo.

We also have Charter Cable available. Their best internet offering is $39/mo for 30/5. I've thought about switching between FiOS and Charter so that I always get the teaser rate, which would save about $25/mo on average. But Charter does not offer a broadcast tier TV service, so I'd need to mount an antenna on the roof. We are 35-40 miles from broadcast towers.

Also, I had Charter before FiOS and bandwidth was highly variable depending on time of day and there were frequent outages. From reviews I've read recently, that hasn't improved much over the years. FiOS is rock solid. So for now, I'm not a "switcher," but I would never rule it out.
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:00 PM   #42
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Usually your posts are extremely sensible, but this is one I just can't relate to. You could still see lots of sports OTA, although maybe not the exact same games you want to watch. We get lots of sports, including just about all Saints games, OTA.

So really it's NOT watching sports that has you tied to that big cable bill - - it's watching a few particular games instead of other games that you could see OTA at the same time. And that would be only on the (probably very few) occasions when your game is not OTA.

Bear in mind that I'm not a team sports fan, so maybe I just don't "get it" but to me, that is just not worth well over $100/month. If I was a sports fan, I'd probably either watch a different game (hey, it's all sports!), or else I'd go order a $6 sandwich at a sports bar and watch the game there on the rare occasions when I couldn't get the game at home.
Major professional and collegiate team sports are greatly reduced on OTA networks, from what was available a decade or two ago. About the only serious fans that can survive without cable, are those who follow an in-market NFL team. The NFL has contracts with the OTA networks to show these games, and the bulk of games are OTA , with only Monday and Thursday night games on cable channels.

If one is a MLB, NBA, or NHL fan, your choice of OTA games is quite limited. MLB plays games 7 days/nights a week from April to October, and the only OTA games are the single weekly FOX telecasts on Saturday. The NBA and NHL limit their OTA telecasts to the weekend as well. NCAA football and basketball are also similar in that respect.

To the serious fan of any of these sports, other than the NFL, watching a reasonable amount of games is impossible without a cable subscription.

I know very few sports fans that randomly accept any telecast of anything that carries the definition of being a sport. When you get beyond the major team sports, individual tastes are fragmented, and just because a "sport" happens to be on an OTA channel, it doesn't mean a "fan" wants to watch it.
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Usually your posts are extremely sensible, but this is one I just can't relate to. You could still see lots of sports OTA, although maybe not the exact same games you want to watch. We get lots of sports, including just about all Saints games, OTA.

So really it's NOT watching sports that has you tied to that big cable bill - - it's watching a few particular games instead of other games that you could see OTA at the same time. And that would be only on the (probably very few) occasions when your game is not OTA.

Bear in mind that I'm not a team sports fan, so maybe I just don't "get it" but to me, that is just not worth well over $100/month. If I was a sports fan, I'd probably either watch a different game (hey, it's all sports!), or else I'd go order a $6 sandwich at a sports bar and watch the game there on the rare occasions when I couldn't get the game at home.

You give me too much credit... My posts probably arent sensible often either! Seriously though, I didnt give full explanation...Its a sports thing... One of my entertaining interests I have is to make season long gambling bets. So I enjoy watching the teams I have the bets on. This year it has been Texans and Panthers in NFL. These games can only be watched through Direct TV as they have exclusive rights to all regular season games out of market which I cannot see locally. Plus I have 2 big bets on NHL season point totals so I follow Colorado and Dallas. You have to buy NHL package for this. I could get NHL package online, but then couldnt watch my local team the STL Blues because you need to purchase Fox Sports Midwest package.
These all cant be bought collectively online.
Actually buying all this is way cheaper and more enjoyable to me now than being a season ticket holder which I was... 70 in screen HD, and big chair way better experience than hassle of going to the game.
To be honest, if I didn't like sports, I would probably still complain and buy cable anyways. I don't want to deal with dumb gadgets, different remotes, Internet buffering, etc. I don't like change...but I do like to complain!


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Old 12-09-2015, 01:48 PM   #44
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BTW, W2R, the reason you probably don't understand this sports thing is because its usually a guy thing that starts at youth...things you probably didn't do such as throw lawn darts at each other, roman candle fire fights, bb gun wars and such. Then over time it just mellows out to lazier testosterone fueled endeavors such as gambling on sports.


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BTW, W2R, the reason you probably don't understand this sports thing is because its usually a guy thing that starts at youth...things you probably didn't do such as throw lawn darts at each other, roman candle fire fights, bb gun wars and such. Then over time it just mellows out to lazier testosterone fueled endeavors such as gambling on sports.


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I find this comment hilarious and definitely off the mark! When I was a kid I did ALL of the stupid things that you listed, was a gigantic sports fan and played high school baseball and football. DW did none of those things. Now, DW is a HUGE sports fan, especially her Cubs and NFL football. I will sometimes watch a bit of a game with her if I'm feeling lazy, but I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in college or professional sports anymore.
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I find this comment hilarious and definitely off the mark! When I was a kid I did ALL of the stupid things that you listed, was a gigantic sports fan and played high school baseball and football. DW did none of those things. Now, DW is a HUGE sports fan, especially her Cubs and NFL football. I will sometimes watch a bit of a game with her if I'm feeling lazy, but I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in college or professional sports anymore.

JJ, if you are longing to recommit to watching a full game with interest, this tip will help you I guarantee.... Take a $1000 bucks and make a bet on the game... I guarantee you, you will be amazed at your sudden increased interest level.


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JJ, if you are longing to recommit to watching a full game with interest, this tip will help you I guarantee.... Take a $1000 bucks and make a bet on the game... I guarantee you, you will be amazed at your sudden increased interest level.
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That why I watch the stocks and bonds so avidly. And you can get those games for free at least 5 days a week. No cable bill.
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JJ, if you are longing to recommit to watching a full game with interest, this tip will help you I guarantee.... Take a $1000 bucks and make a bet on the game... I guarantee you, you will be amazed at your sudden increased interest level.


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That's just it, Mulligan, there is no interest in watching a full game and I have never understood the allure of betting so that's a non-starter. My point is simply that the urge to watch sports went away sometime in my early 20's and I just don't see the point, anymore. No judgement intended, BTW... among my close family members, DW is an avid fan, DD1 really doesn't care, SIL#1 REALLY DOESN'T CARE, DD2 is an avid alma mater BB fan and Broncos fan and SIL#2 is regular sports bettor. We all get along famously.

Anyway, I'm going to consider starting a poll/thread around sports viewing habits, so as not to hijack this thread. I am very interested in hearing about how others viewing habits have changed over time and why.
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Old 12-09-2015, 04:20 PM   #49
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Those who keep up to date with the latest dodge will benefit, until that dodge is woven into the pricing model and they'll have to work to find and learn the new dodge.
Yep. I'd been switching between TimeWarner, AT&T, and Clear Wireless, but I've been stymied lately. I'm on TimeWarner at the moment, and my one year introductory pricing ran out. When I went to AT&T I realized not only would I need a new modem (DSL is gone, only Uverse is offered), they charge me $99 to connect (even though no one would come to my house...it's self setup). And Sprint bought Clear and raised the prices, so the Clear WiMax modem I bought is worthless to me.

The good news is that we've got Google Fiber digging up the neighborhood! Nothing better than more competition!

But I have tons of OTA programming available, have six tuners connected to DVR software (that I wrote myself), have the ability to find the occasional item on icefilms if it's not OTA, don't care about sports, have an Ooma voip phone system, Republic Wireless cell phone that gives you back money for unused data, so I'm getting plenty of service for a reasonable level of funding.
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BTW, W2R, the reason you probably don't understand this sports thing is because its usually a guy thing that starts at youth...things you probably didn't do such [...]
That's probably true! It does seem to be a guy thing. (edited to add: Or not! After reading the other posts between that post and this one, maybe we do need that poll).
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You give me too much credit... My posts probably arent sensible often either! Seriously though, I didnt give full explanation...Its a sports thing... One of my entertaining interests I have is to make season long gambling bets. So I enjoy watching the teams I have the bets on.
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To be honest, if I didn't like sports, I would probably still complain and buy cable anyways. I don't want to deal with dumb gadgets, different remotes, Internet buffering, etc. I don't like change...but I do like to complain!
Yes, your posts ARE sensible! At least to me. Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense to me, too. I don't like change very much either; as you probably recall I told the forum that I was going to drop my cable TV and landline for what, about 5 years before I finally did? That's because I just couldn't deal with the change until I had thought about it for that long.
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We switched from pricey a cable/landline/internet bundle and Verizon cell plan to Time Warner Internet only ($49.99), Republic Wireless ($19.99) and PagePlus cellular ($13.13), Netflix streaming ($8.00) on Roku about 2 years ago. Works well for our needs with savings in the neighborhood of $150/mo.
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Verizon's chief is now saying that the future is 40-50 channel packages, so if you want 300 channels then you'll be buying a half dozen separate packages. That'll undercut concerns that people are paying for too many channels they don't watch, but of course it will still end up netting roughly the same amount of revenue, just more from people who watch more television and less from people who watch less television, which is fair. It will remain a shell game.
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Paying $94 per month for expanded basic with Service Electric Cable TV in Pa. Waiting for the increase notice which comes every December. Will add the increase to the gf's monthly fee to live here, since she wants to keep the cable but I want to drop it. I was watching Fargo a few days ago on FX and could not believe the amount of commercials they loaded it up with. I must be the only person in the US who is not stripping out the commercials with some technology. As for sports, my only addiction is alma mater college football games, and yes I need cable to watch those. I get some local OTA here but no cbs, no abc, no nbc. GF has to watch her game shows on Game Show Network and Turner Classic Movies.
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We are currently paying $64.13 for Verizon FIOS internet service. We dropped the cable last fall when the 2 year triple play special offer expired. The special monthly rate was $124 but went up to $154. We didn't need a land-line and they wouldn't budge on the rate (the only competition here is satellite) so we dropped the cable as an experiment. Overall it's been a success - as many others have noted the only thing that causes any problems is sports. But we get DW's Cubs games through MLB and she is slowly adjusting to missing the Nats.

Our watching is primarily through Netflix, some Amazon Prime and we now have an account at SlingTV so that we can add ESPN/TBS during those 3 months out of the year when various "important" sports events must be seen. What little OTA programming we watch is also streamed so we don't have to see the ads. How in the world do people put up with the commercials? Ten or 11 minutes of ads in a 30 minute program!
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.... How in the world do people put up with the commercials? Ten or 11 minutes of ads in a 30 minute program!
That's my main beef. Paying a fortune for cable AND having way too many ads.
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Beer and bathroom breaks.

I sit with my ipad on my lap... Commercial breaks dont bother me as I just look on it during down time....If the above options are not needed at that time.


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I sit with my ipad on my lap... Commercial breaks dont bother me as I just look on it during down time....If the above options are not needed at that time.


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DW is much the same. I, however, have never been a multi-tasker. I like to focus on one thing at a time, fully and completely. So, a movie is fine - no commercials, but the continual stopping and starting of something that's supposed to have some narrative coherence because of ads drives me batty. And, of course, sports can be even worse. Let's see, somebody scores a touchdown with 22 seconds left in a quarter - Break to commercial, extra point, break to commercial, kickoff, break to commercial, run one play, end of quarter, break to commercial.

ARGH! It is so nice to have the technology to avoid this.

I have the same problem with texting - it's fantastic for discrete exchanges of information (I'm running late, meet me at the zoo, etc.), but I find it an incredibly frustrating way to have a conversation. DW and others apparently don't feel that way.
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In the rare event when I watch live TV (and not something I've already got on the DVR), I start watching, pause on the first commercial and do about 15 minutes of something else. When I come back, I have enough buffered to skip commercials.
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All paths lead to the same place. There is no way to permanently gain an advantage over the average except through work, continual unending work. Subscription video entertainment is worth a certain amount. By hook or crook providers will eventually get practically everyone on to the track toward paying that amount. Those who keep up to date with the latest dodge will benefit, until that dodge is woven into the pricing model and they'll have to work to find and learn the new dodge. There may always be a marginal advantage in playing suppliers off each other, yet there will always be that question in the back of one's mind whether it is worth the work, year after year. Those who feel it is will get that marginal advantage in price at the expense of a marginal expenditure of time and effort. Fair is fair.
If you call 'work' a 15 minute phone call that saved me $40 a month over 2 years, sure. I don't.

I agree about providers wanting their money no matter what - the 300GB data cap trials that Comcast is rolling out to cities across the country is a perfect example (they charge $10 per 50GB after you go over the cap). Comcast is scared that more people are cutting the cord and reducing their massive profits from the TV side of the house so they're determined to make it up on the HSI side if you start streaming video instead. And they're going to get away with it as long as the FCC keeps looking the other way, knowing full well that Comcast has a lot of folks by the nuts for wired HSI access.
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