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Old 02-11-2006, 01:02 PM   #41
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Jeez and I figured you just liked to WRITE your own stuff after not reading anything, including what you wrote before.

That would explain the content, and repetition.

Dave, werent you leaving?

I find the variability of material and viewpoints here quite broad.* Certainly idiots, whiners and people who think their wan opinion constitutes fact arent well received.

Its also one of the lightest moderated boards I think i've ever seen, let alone participated in.

Tipping the cap to the moderators who show great restraint...
Not directed at anyone in particular, but it's very poor form to say you are leaving and then hang around. This applies
to all venues, not just here.

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Old 02-11-2006, 01:04 PM   #42
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Its also one of the lightest moderated boards I think i've ever seen, let alone participated in.

Tipping the cap to the moderators who show great restraint...
I agree. Kudos and John Galt Ranger badges
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Old 02-11-2006, 03:42 PM   #43
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I came in on this quite late and so I read every post just to see what folks so riled up (I usually never bother to read all that much here.* Would rather just read my own stuff)* * Anyway, the answer was "not much".* Some people are so touchy!* JG
Shooting from the lip again.

You're apparently not aware that ol' Dave deleted 300-some of his posts, including not a few of the Boomer flames, before he huffed off.
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* *My eye was caught by the "Doom and Gloom" header, so I thought I'd post to that, and pass by all the intermediate bickering (OK, flame me).
* *I think throughout time, every generation thinks they'll be the ones to face the end of the world as they know it. I'm not proposing that. OK, I am.* I'm just more than a little concerned and distracted by the convergance of several world changing scenarios. The primary one, and the one that has me most concerned (aside from a $750B deficit, negative personal savings rate, bursting real estate bubble, nervous market, our warmest January on record, antibiotic resistant germs and bird flu) is the strong possabilty that we've reached the halfway point in oil production (Hubberts peak, google it). You laugh and say so what, they started back around 1860 or so, that oughta give us another 150 years or so....not so simple. The first 50 years or so after initial discovery was trying to figure out what to do with the stuff. The demands* and dependance is now many times early usage. Now our society is insatiable in burning through it (that salad you had at dinner was fossil fuel planted, fertilized, grown, harvested , delivered and refrigerated). The factors working against us...our dependance on foreign oil (I think around 30%), our appetite (about 25% of the worlds production), China (several billion users) coming online, the fact that our whole society is energy driven (the natural gas scenario isn't any better, looked at your heating bill lately? for those in warmer climes, your problem won't only be energy, but fresh water, and the energy to get it to you).
* *Bottom line, we're in the last half of oil extraction. The second half is deeper and much more difficult and expensive to pull out and refine. Its gonna get much worse. We have no plan B (most plans, ethanol included, cost more energy or are too oil dependant to work). Any thoughts?
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Bottom line, we're in the last half of oil extraction. The second half is deeper and much more difficult and expensive to pull out and refine. Its gonna get much worse. We have no plan B (most plans, ethanol included, cost more energy or are too oil dependant to work). Any thoughts?
Buy some oil and gas stocks or energy-related mutual funds.
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Old 02-11-2006, 06:09 PM   #46
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Any thoughts?
Just one: "Everything that can be invented has been invented."

--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.

anon, this has got to be the most amazing time in history to be alive! Think of the opportunities available today to "solve" the energy problem. As you pointed out, it was 50 years before we figured out what to do with oil, developed the internal combustion engine, invented the automobile, etc. We've been depending on oil to provide our ever growing demand for energy for only 100 years or so. That's a blink of the eye in terms of history.

Have some faith in our ability to find alternatives and develop other energy resources. It should create some amazing investment opportunities if you figure out which horse to put your money on.

...Or you could just go ahead and buy yourself a few horses if you think we'll revert to using them for transportation.

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anon, this has got to be the most amazing time in history to be alive!*

ReWahoo: Here! Here!

Replacing my old Persimmon head drivers and steel shafts with Titanium Heads and Grafite Shafts, have allowed me to hit the ball further off the tee now, then I did 40 years ago.!

Now, if someone would come up with a "full-body transplant", I wouldn't have a care in the world.

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Old 02-11-2006, 07:09 PM   #48
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One solution exists already. It's cogeneration. The mixing of coal with wood waste to create a non-polluting energy source. This utilizes coal and wood waste, two resources this country has in abundance.

The only reason you haven't heard of this technology is the stranglehold the Cheney cabal has in suppressing any alternative energy that would challenge the dominance of the oil industry.

You heard it here first.
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So coal has N, S and a bunch of nasty metallic elements. You have to separate them somewhere in your process if you are going to make it "non-pollutting." How is this done in the process that you are referring to and what do you do with them?

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Burning coal with wood still causes air pollution* and what does Dick Cheney have to do with it
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Santa brings him coal every year.

And he likes it!

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That must be why he has that constipated look all of the time :P--->he is trying to make a diamond.
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Ok that just created a series of mental pictures, none of which I really wanted to experience :P
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One solution exists already. It's cogeneration. The mixing of coal with wood waste to create a non-polluting energy source. This utilizes coal and wood waste, two resources this country has in abundance.

The only reason you haven't heard of this technology is the stranglehold the Cheney cabal has in suppressing any alternative energy that would challenge the dominance of the oil industry.

You heard it here first.
Look out...those black helicopters are flying over your house right now with listening devices. Shhhhhh. :
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Just one:* "Everything that can be invented has been invented."

* * * --Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.

anon, this has got to be the most amazing time in history to be alive!* Think of the opportunities available today to "solve" the energy problem.* As you pointed out, it was 50 years before we figured out what to do with oil, developed the internal combustion engine, invented the automobile, etc.* We've been depending on oil to provide our ever growing demand for energy for only 100 years or so.* That's a blink of the eye in terms of history.

Have some faith in our ability to find alternatives and develop other energy resources.* It should create some amazing investment opportunities if you figure out which horse to put your money on.*

...Or you could just go ahead and buy yourself a few horses if you think we'll revert to using them for transportation.

This is a GREAT post.* All of the angst and woe is unbecoming of us.* A few years ago, Bill Gates was dreaming in his garage.* I suspect the energy eng-ah-neer that will transform this century is already hard at work somewhere.* Most doom and gloomers are consigned to the "ash heaps of history" (love that phrase).*
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The only reason you haven't heard of this technology is the stranglehold the Cheney cabal has in suppressing any alternative energy that would challenge the dominance of the oil industry.

You heard it here first.
Oh, and the Cheney cable that alphabet soup refers to, will let loose when it's economically necessary.* To refer to Mr. Gates again, I believe IBM controlled most everything when he was in his garage.* You can't control the market forever; ask GM.*
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Hmmm

I remember the 60's - they still had some electric city busses in Seattle - and I had the $5/mo all electric rate for my apartment - no matter how many kw I used.

Oh well - time passes - things change.

It's those pesky - outside the box - relatively rapid unplanned events like the 70's oil embargo that the 'Invisible Hand' has trouble adjusting to.
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Burning coal with wood still causes air pollution* and what does Dick Cheney have to do with it
Cofiring is an environmentally friendly application of mixing biomass with coal to reduce harmful greenhouse gases. Cofiring can be achieved by industry with no capital investment costs, and is the only policy that can radically and immediately reduce greenhouse gases. All other renewable energy plans and clean coal technologies take in excess of 30 years to positively impact the earth's environment..

This is available right now. In all but the most backward countries, like Russia and Texas, this technology is already in application.
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Doesn't burning biomass (a carbon containing substance) also release CO2?

I'm not so sure that it actually reduces CO2, but simply changes the source.... coal (and oil) has sequestered carbon from the atmosphere for a long time whereas a tree or grass has only recently absorbed the carbon from the atmosphere... so perhaps over a 100 year time frame, it's a zero sum gain?
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I hope I can resist.* Tie me to the mast, boys!
Wow, a classicist! I am impressed.

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It is unfortunate that it has come to this; however, I am always amazed* when someone makes themselves a target and then is shocked when someone takes aim at them.* There is a fine line on the internet between free speech and shouting fire in a crowded theater.
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With all due respect, this doesn't make sense. One of these acts can get people killed. The other is mildly annoying; but only if you elect to read it and let yourself become annoyed.

Some of us are bored, miss political manouvers at work, etc. A little tempest in a teapot brightens our sometimes slow days.

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