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Old 08-22-2014, 01:03 AM   #61
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Oh cool I am the first Hawaii poster on this thread and I definitely going to win the competition as long as nobody from Maui or the Big Island posts.

Our average rates in Honolulu are $.346/KHW. With my solar system I use less than the base rate so I "only" pay about $.33. Fortunately the solar takes care of almost my entire bill, and I average $65/month which includes not only electricity for the house, but also for the Tesla. I figure less than $800/year of gasoline and electricity is pretty cheap.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:10 AM   #62
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Oh cool I am the first Hawaii poster on this thread and I definitely going to win the competition as long as nobody from Maui or the Big Island posts.

Our average rates in Honolulu are $.346/KHW. With my solar system I use less than the base rate so I "only" pay about $.33. Fortunately the solar takes care of almost my entire bill, and I average $65/month which includes not only electricity for the house, but also for the Tesla. I figure less than $800/year of gasoline and electricity is pretty cheap.
With rates like those and plenty of sunshine I am surprised that everyone in Hawaii doesn't have solar panels!
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mine is $0.100007 per kWh. We have rate, fuel adjustment charge and storm recovery charge.

I use levelized billing to even out the summer/winter swings in billing. The above number does not reflect any levelizing.
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Last bill was called August, but really covered July calendar. Our bill has 12 line items. It's possible to figure out the first 750kWh and next 561kWh, but it will not lower the bill.

We have a total charge of $231.12 for 1311 usage. That is 0.17629 for an average kWh. The daily average temperature was 75, down from 79 a year ago. Usage was down 15-20%.
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Back in the late 1990s, when I was still working full-time, my power company (LIPA) introduced off-peak billing. We paid more for electricity in the summer months (June-Sept) than the rest of the year, and paid more for weekday daytime use (8 AM-9 PM) than the rest of the time. The price per kwh for daytime use in the summer months was huge.

I was rarely home during the peak times, getting home around 7 PM, so I saved much more outside the summer months to make up for paying a little more in the summer months. But, when I began working mostly from home in August of 2001, this all changed. I was no longer saving enough outside the summer months to offset the growing premium I paid during the summer when I had to start running the A/C during the day during the week. So I asked to get switched back to the standard billing plan. All of my part-time schedules in the next 7 years had me at home on some weekdays during the day.

One small disadvantage to not working ay more. Oh well.
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Just occurred to me that one needs to know how many square feet are being serviced by the utility cost. I have 2892 square feet. So the cost to cool, etc. In July was. 079 per square foot, based on $231.12 charge.

A different comparison is kWh per square foot. I have calculated 0.45332 for that.

I think you need to take into account a few things before comparing.
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With all the taxes and fees it is about 11.5 cents per Kwh. I paid for 713 kwhs used in July, our pv system put 449 kwhs into the grid which I received credit for kws consumed. For the first 6 months of the year our bill is averaging $26.77 per month.
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Have you tried drying racks? I wouldn't bother with clothespins either but the racks make even socks and undies very simple.

I had one of those. I don't want to give up garage space (where the washer/dryer is) because we park our cars in the garage. (Radical concept, here.) We don't have a good spot in our house... Heck, we have a 4'x8' robotics competition table in our living room because there's no other place for it. (I coach a FLL robotics team.)

I tried the rack outside - but living on a canyon we get some pretty stiff breezes... it kept getting knocked over. We sold it at our last garage sale.

Our laundry lines are in our side yard - right off the garage. Permanently mounted T-poles, with 5 lines between them. My husband did not think I'd use them much but has been impressed to see them used consistently.

Our dryer is electric - so this definitely impacts our electric bill.
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Just occurred to me that one needs to know how many square feet are being serviced by the utility cost. I have 2892 square feet. So the cost to cool, etc. In July was. 079 per square foot, based on $231.12 charge.

A different comparison is kWh per square foot. I have calculated 0.45332 for that.

I think you need to take into account a few things before comparing.
By that measure, I paid $0.023 per square foot per month for July (which was very hot). I am not sure whether your numbers are cents or dollars.
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Just occurred to me that one needs to know how many square feet are being serviced by the utility cost. ...

I think you need to take into account a few things before comparing.


The OP asked for Electricity cost per KWH. Sq feet has very little effect on that.

If you are in a tiered rate area, heating/cooling a larger house might increase your overall rate, but...

a smaller house would also see a higher 'all in' effect from the fixed charges.

I just ran the numbers on my bill, and if I cut my kWh in half (simulating a smaller house), my rate increases from $0.12 to $0.147 (22.5% increase). That's going to offset some of the effect of tiered rates.

I guess I don't see what we'd learn from those other calculations. We could also divide by ounces of monthly peanut butter consumption, but why?

Although it did just occur to me that another useful number to add to 'total $/kWh' would be the marginal rate for the next kWh. Just like taxes, this tells you what a kWh saved/spent will do for you. (edit/add) - hmmm, so my average $0.12 rate has me at a marginal rate of just ~ $0.093/kWh).


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By that measure, I paid $0.023 per square foot per month for July (which was very hot). I am not sure whether your numbers are cents or dollars.
That decimal is cents or a fraction of a dollar I suppose. Looks like my tablet moved the decimal, as if it were a sentence ending STOP!
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That decimal is cents or a fraction of a dollar I suppose. Looks like my tablet moved the decimal, as if it were a sentence ending STOP!

OK, well, it does seem that I have a good deal anyway you look at it!


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The OP asked for Electricity cost per KWH. Sq feet has very little effect on that.

If you are in a tiered rate area, heating/cooling a larger house might increase your overall rate, but...

a smaller house would also see a higher 'all in' effect from the fixed charges.

I just ran the numbers on my bill, and if I cut my kWh in half (simulating a smaller house), my rate increases from $0.12 to $0.147 (22.5% increase). That's going to offset some of the effect of tiered rates.

I guess I don't see what we'd learn from those other calculations. We could also divide by ounces of monthly peanut butter consumption, but why?

Although it did just occur to me that another useful number to add to 'total $/kWh' would be the marginal rate for the next kWh. Just like taxes, this tells you what a kWh saved/spent will do for you. (edit/add) - hmmm, so my average $0.12 rate has me at a marginal rate of just ~ $0.093/kWh).
Since I gave the number(s) the OP requested, I don't understand taking issue with my adding something additional. Some posts in this thread went on to post their total bill, and why/whynot a specific calculation makes sense or not for their location.

It seems reasonable to me to extend the conversation to other factors. Like how much space are you cooling and heating. This would seem to go hand in hand with the location of the dwelling.

YMMV
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OK, well, it does seem that I have a good deal anyway you look at it!


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You do have a good deal. Now it is really obvious I don't.
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Since I gave the number(s) the OP requested, I don't understand taking issue with my adding something additional. Some posts in this thread went on to post their total bill, and why/whynot a specific calculation makes sense or not for their location.

It seems reasonable to me to extend the conversation to other factors. Like how much space are you cooling and heating. This would seem to go hand in hand with the location of the dwelling.

YMMV

I have a 12 foot ceiling. Should we be using the volume of the residence as the denominator? 😀


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In Pa. 15.2 cents per KW hour. All that fracking isn't bringing the price down.
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Since I gave the number(s) the OP requested, I don't understand taking issue with my adding something additional. ...

YMMV
It's just that it takes it far from what the OP was asking, and get's really complicated, and it's not sure what value there is in those added numbers...

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I have a 12 foot ceiling. Should we be using the volume of the residence as the denominator? 😀
Exactly.... and degree days, number in the household, R value of our insulation, shade tree coverage, and, and, and....


kWhrs, per cubic foot, per person, per degree day.... ?

I guess I'd turn it around - what is it you hope to learn? What numbers would help with that?

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It's just that it takes it far from what the OP was asking, and get's really complicated, and it's not sure what value there is in those added numbers...

Exactly.... and degree days, number in the household, R value of our insulation, shade tree coverage, and, and, and....

kWhrs, per cubic foot, per person, per degree day.... ?

I guess I'd turn it around - what is it you hope to learn? What numbers would help with that?

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I was joking! I think KWH is quite sufficient to compare relative rates for electricity. Obviously if you live in a McMansion with drafty windows, you are going to use more electricity than I do in my 1122 sq foot condo. And good luck standardizing for climate. I used to live in an older home in a very cold part of Canada and while electricity rates were the lowest in the nation, I had enormous bills. You can only standardize so many variables.


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I think that would relate to HVAC efficiency. Better not go there...
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