Big_Hitter
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they should just do "forced" tipping, like they do at my golf club
I think tipping is a bad habit. Should students tip good professors? Should businessmen tip senators?
[max sarcasm]Yep, that describes all Americans.[/sarcasm]Americans like tipping to show that they are bosses to reward servants.
Here are what I did in Panama City. Taking taxi from airport to the hotel, tipped taxi driver; getting into the hotel lobby, tipped the doorman; getting my luggage, tipping the luggage man; in the morning, tipped the maid; eating the breakfast, tipped the waitress.
Should businessmen tip senators?
How else are we supposed to get special treatment from politicians?
Americans like tipping to show that they are bosses to reward servants. They show their dollars everywhere in the world, even in those places, like many Asian countries, that do not accept tips. I think tipping is a bad habit. Should students tip good professors? Should businessmen tip senators?
Here are what I did in Panama City. Taking taxi from airport to the hotel, tipped taxi driver; getting into the hotel lobby, tipped the doorman; getting my luggage, tipping the luggage man; in the morning, tipped the maid; eating the breakfast, tipped the waitress. The hotel managers should be responsible for managing their staffs.
Did you do all that tipping to show you were a boss rewarding servants?
Maybe they make more than minimum wage now with tips. No one can produce the accounting, but wouldn't you think they'd get a minimum wage job if they weren't already making as much or more?By the way, the waiters should not be paid $2.5 a hour, they should be paid at least the minimum wages.
Americans like tipping to show that they are bosses to reward servants..
I felt that I was obligated.
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By the way, the waiters should not be paid $2.5 a hour, they should be paid at least the minimum wages.
Maybe they make more than minimum wage now with tips. No one can produce the accounting, but wouldn't you think they'd get a minimum wage job if they weren't already making as much or more? Many servers make a lot more than minimum wage now, and most restaurants (low, med & high end) I know of seem to have the same regular tipped wage servers for years. Turnover is far worse at fast food restaurants, where they are paid minimum wage, and there is no service - isn't that interesting?
Tipping is just humiliating.
I was a server in college in a pizza place and an upscale restaurant, made way, way more than minimum wage at both, nothing humiliating about it. What kind of restaurant did you work in?Tipping shifts the staff managing responsibility from managers to the customers.
By they way, I should have used the term "masters" to reward servants. Tipping is just humiliating.
Many servers make a lot more than minimum wage now, and most restaurants (low, med & high end) I know of seem to have the same regular tipped wage servers for years. Turnover is far worse at fast food restaurants, where they are paid minimum wage, and there is no service - isn't that interesting?
You're understandably using service as a broad term. I agree most fast food places are cheap, quick and accurate, that's their forte. But there's a big difference between production/queuing and restaurant service. What you get in fast food restaurants is the former, with only a passing resemblance to quality restaurant service.I rarely patronize fast food joints (or restaurants in general), but I tend to have really excellent service at fast food places. Quick service (McD's can prepare and serve a custom order in under a minute), very high order accuracy (probably tech related since many places display what the cashier keys in for your order), quick to fix mistakes including comping or replacing items. Quick service for follow up requests.
There are exceptions of course, but I think a lot of it comes down to management and how well they enforce corporate policy. I've done some mystery shopping at some fast food places and they evaluate their restaurants and employees on dozens or hundreds of details. Over two minutes from ordering to receiving food is considered a delay at McD's for example IIRC. Did the cashier smile? etc.
The bottom line is that I would expect a halfway decent manager to be able to distinguish an average to above average server from a below average server and get rid of the crappy ones.
those guys don't get paid $2.50 an hour - servers depend heavily on tips for income
You're understandably using service as a broad term. I agree most fast food places are cheap, quick and accurate, that's their forte. But there's a big difference between production/queuing and restaurant service. What you get in fast food restaurants is the former, with only a passing resemblance to quality restaurant service.
permits certain employers to pay less than slave wages.
Just to be accurate, slave wages were zero.
I gather we're having a tongue in cheek debate. You know the difference and you can dismiss the processes, but comparing fast food and table service is apples to oranges because of the process differences. You're equating fast & hot mostly self service to "table service?"I'm focusing on the result, not the process. Fast food (where there isn't any tipping) yields great service in my experience, while table service is a mixed bag (mostly good), yet almost always involves tipping. How can fast food workers provide great service if tipping is necessary to ensure good service?