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This is in response to ex-Jarhead. I say what I mean and I do what I say. If I post it, I believe it. However,
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Your ideas are good ones and I hope I didnt come across as argumentative. Its simply that the breakthrough on hydrogen may take some time, and the conversion may take some time. The big problem is getting started and putting the time and money into it. Seems to me that has to come from the top, and the top guys right now smell like oil. The folks pumping the oil have a lot at stake and a lot of money and influence and politicians love both of those.

Nukes have some problems with the spent fuel rods (besides having them regularly stolen). Storage is a pisser. Also the reactor cores have a specific lifespan, and then you have a whole crapload of radioactive stainless steel and whatnot to deal with. Both maintain dangerous levels of radiation for a verrrry long time.

Jim - There is NO such thing as TOO MUCH sex. I just ran the numbers and the odds of a pair of 43 year olds ending up in this situation is between 1:10 and 1:5 in a year. I wish my portfolio did as well with longshots. What I think is interesting, and bears reading if you havent seen it, is Japan needing to advertise and motivate their younger people to have sex and make babies. A substantial trend is in place to have transient sexless uncomplicated relationships, sometimes almost 100% online. Isnt that interesting?

The treehugger/lefties have been floating an idea of "community apartment/workplaces" where people live and work in a large scale highly recycled energy efficient "building" surrounded by some farm lands, cattle and other critters, and a nearby water source.

That would certainly work. Given the rumors that the saudis and others really only have half the oil they claim to have (for obvious reasons) and that prospective new reserves may not be very substantial, coupled with dragging our feet on conservation, alternative sources, rising populations and whatnot...we may simply be forced into it at some point.
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Old 06-23-2004, 06:13 AM   #64
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A lot of the "solutions" proposed here boil down to cramming humans closer to each other. Smaller houses, more dense urban environments, communal living, etc etc etc.

I think that would bring on a whole host of new problems. I have no scientific evidence for this theory - but being only a young dreamer I still have to work so I don't have time for the research. Maybe one of you RE's can do do the grunt work

Just from observation of my fellow humans, and discussions with several police officer friends, I've concluded that it is not healthly for us to live and exist in close quarters. Several police friends have told me that there are always more problems in apartment and townhouse communities than in traditional single family communities. And it's not necessarily an income or class thing as around here townhomes go for over $250K. They think it's a space issue. People living closer together tend to behave worse.

Inner cities, subsidized housing, etc have traditionally been crime laden areas. What if it has nothing to do with income, class, etc. What if it is simple fact that if you cram people close together long term, bad stuff happens?

Hong Kong has the densest population on the planet, and also a high SOL and low crime rate. So that might blow my theory right out of the water.

My theory seems to hold in the US, so maybe it's just us. One thing I know for certain, I need space from my fellow man. I won't be suporting any soltution that will impede my ability to obtain 40 acres and mule
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Well, it's literally not healthy when it comes to communicable diseases, but I think what you're seeing is the fact that most crimes are crimes of opportunity. More opportunity = more crime.
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The current leadership may "smell" like oil. But they've authorized more money on hydrogen research by far than any other admin. How'd that Gore-led big three auto makers push for more fuel efficient cars go in the 90s? We got LOWER mpg's and MORE SUVs!

Also, I've not ever heard of any stolen fuel rods, let alone "regularly stolen".
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Gosh I didnt mean to start a partisan discussion with anonymous people. Just to be clear, I dont find much positive to say about the democrats OR the republicans. Just two slightly different shades of gray.

Try a little "google" for "stolen fuel rods" or "stolen nuclear material". The first few articles produced talk about the "missing" connecticut ones. Plenty of other articles on missing materials from this country and others.

I honestly cant say I have much interest on seeing what was spent by democrats vs republicans for hydrogen or higher mileage vehicles. Neither has spent enough. I wouldnt toot the horn for current high mileage vehicles being created by the current administration...such work didnt happen 2-3 years ago, anything on the road today was on the drawing boards a long time ago.

Funny thing that...anyone hear about the fiasco with the current hybrids fuel economy being nowhere near whats on the sticker? Turns out the method of measuring fuel economy simply doesnt work for hybrids, but they keep using it anyhow.

As far as the "smelling like oil" comment...well...the presidents whole family runs or has run oil companies all their lives and have done more than a billion dollars worth of recent oil business with middle east oil interests. The vice president's been up to his ears in oil and oil service companies through much of his life. What the heck else would you say?
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Try a little "google" for "stolen fuel rods" or "stolen nuclear material". The first few articles produced talk about the "missing" connecticut ones. Plenty of other articles on missing materials from this country and others.

Missing, could mean bookeeping errors. In any event, not regulary stolen.

I honestly cant say I have much interest on seeing what was spent by democrats vs republicans for hydrogen or higher mileage vehicles. Neither has spent enough.

What amount is enough? The current admin has budgeted over 1 billion. Where would more funds be taken from? Taxes? Other programs? I know, that catch-all "government waste". Like you, I wish it were so easy.

I wouldnt toot the horn for current high mileage vehicles being created by the current administration...such work didnt happen 2-3 years ago, anything on the road today was on the drawing boards a long time ago.

I agree, like I said it's gone down, not up.
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Actually I see that while 1.2B was proposed in 2002 over a 5 year period, about $350M has been put into a variety of proposals, many of which divide the research between hydrogen and fossil fuels research. Only $22M actually spent this year so far. Granted every source I looked at had different numbers in them, but the $1.2B, $350M and $22M were the most commonly referenced.

What amount is enough? Cant answer that question definitively, but enough is enough to get us off our dependence on oil before it runs out or before we have to invade venezuela and finland for their al queda ties. I dont think 200-300M a year, divided up, is anywhere near enough.

Where does it come from? How about we take the $120B spent to date on the war in iraq and apply some of that? I think that'd be enough.

There are roughly 9000 registered "incidents" of LICENSED radioactive materials having been lost or stolen over the past 50 years. If you do the math, thats approximately one loss or theft every other day. I dont think that can be chalked up to bookkeeping. Seems regular to me. That doesnt include estimated losses of soviet plutonium and uranium sufficient to make at least 2 full size bombs, or the fact that 1/3-1/2 of the FSU's nuclear materials are still unaudited.

How about we settle on the fact that a lot of radioactive materials are unaccounted for, that mishaps happen more often than I think most people realize, and that a lot of materials remain unaccounted for? Note that little information on these events is available since 9/11 as the information is no longer made public. Here are some key excerpts:

. A huge source-term of radioactive Iridium is reported lost during shipping by Purolator courier on 12/11/96

A plot to deliberately contaminate/irradiate a man is discovered near Philadelphia and the source is recovered 1995

The Millstone Nuclear Plant can't account for two highly radioactive fuel rods 4/16/2001 US Nuclear regulatory Commission Press Release

A woman near Pittsburgh takes into her home a contaminated floor scrubber which has radioactive levels more than 1000 times considered safe 10/96

A gauge containing Cesium-137 is found at a shopping mall in Arkansas 3/2/99

The US Navy reports 38 new cooking pots are made from steel contaminated with Cobalt-60 6/3/98

Recliner chairs parts are manufactured with Cobalt-60 contaminated steel in Indiana 6/10/98

A $5000 reward is offered in Florida for finding a missing potentially deadly radioactive camera 3/17/99

A researcher at the University of California intentionally places radioactive phosphorus on another researcher's chair to deliberately contaminate her 7/2/99 (discovered)

A doctor in Indiana PA disregards radiation alarms after a procedure which leads to the irradiation of more than 90 persons and kills the patient 11/92

A plutonium pacemaker is reported missing by a hospital near Philadelphia 12/11/96

11 adults and 2 children are exposed to high levels of radiation at a Houston scrapyard and five police officers are exposed to low levels while conducting interviews 3/5/96

Cesium-137 is found in the trunk of a crushed car at a scrapyard in Cincinnati 5/31/96

The FBI is called upon to investigate the circumstances surrounding the discovery of a large stash of radioactive materials in the Bronx New York. Investigators found Cesium, Radium, Strontium-90 and Carbon-14. 6/22/98

Radioactive iodine is found in diapers at a garbage dump in Indianapolis 3/95

For the third time in 2 months, a hospital in Minneapolis receives a radioactive contaminated package from the same corporation 12/19/96

Deliberate contamination incidents at MIT and the National Institute of Health are investigated by the FBI Summer 1995

33,000 shovel blades are made with steel contaminated with radioactive thorium near Harrisburg Pennsylvania 3/25/97

Protective lead aprons for nuclear medicine workers are made from radioactive lead supplied from a company in Littlestown Pennsylvania 5/28/97

2,184 chemical agent detectors containing radioactive sources are reported lost in Europe by the US Army since 1989 4/22/97

An Army surplus store in Fayetteville North Carolina sells a total of 42 personal lighting devices (map readers, personell illuminators, torches) containing a total of 90.35 curies of radioactive tritium to unknown individuals against NRC regulations

A package of radioactive thallium falls out of a Federal Express van and is stuck by a car releasing its contents, Michigan 3/29/95 A similar event occurs in Massachusetts 12/18/96

A truck driver loses a contaminated valve he is hauling near Philadelphia Pa. The driver is contaminated. 3/27/97

A Federal Express cargo van loses a package of radioactive Xenon when it falls out the unsecured back door in Sacramento California 7/1/97

A nuclear plant workers puts a radioactive source into the coat pocket of a female worker near Chicago 1995

A Russian-produced fuel assembly with 126 fuel rods containing 2% enriched uranium is unaccounted for by a US crew in Lynchburg, Va. 11/15/96
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Duh? Double Duh? Whatever happened to Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand', Build it and they will, free market and all that stuff. Perhaps wishfull thinking but how much taxpayer money did we give Toyota to develop Prius?

Of course, I feel there's a role for government/taxpayer money (Paid my wages for close to thirty years) - spending it wisely can be very elusive. Heh heh - my first job was working with titanium R&D on the American SST - how many of those have you seen flying around lately.
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Where does it come from? How about we take the $120B spent to date on the war in iraq and apply some of that? I think that'd be enough

I didn't know you had the ability to time travel. Or are you saying we should immediately pull all forces out of Iraq today. How much will that cost?

I agree much nuclear related material has been misplaced, though I'm not about to agree to the data listed. I distrust info found through googling, especially information that others could have an agenda "spinning". The problem with "stealing" spent nuclear fuel rods, which is what we were talking about, is that you can't store these things in your closet. It takes specialized equipment to transport and store these things. Your average theif can't pull it off. Not because of security, but it's just difficult to handle.

I agree unclemick, let private industry come to the rescue.
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I wish I COULD time travel. I'd change a vote. And I'd buy a bunch of microsoft stock in 1987.

The point is, we're willing to spend more on an unproductive war that, in my opinion, had more to do with oil and politics than terrorism, than it would cost us to find a way to get away from fossil fuels. We can argue about the war, the oil vs terrorism thing, or the cost of alternative fuel research all day long and not really get anywhere. I've expressed my informed opinion, and you've expressed yours.

With regards to electric cars, we have in fact provided extensive government funding for electric vehicles and battery technology, and plenty of mandates for reduced fuel usage. By administrations of both "flavors". I'm not so sure that private enterprise will ignore cheap and still widely available oil to fund, research and implement replacement solutions before its too late.

Also note that cars like the Prius are being found to much lower gas mileage than advertised and the owners aint happy.

http://www.investors.com/breakingnew...21225877&brk=1

Of course, this is from the lying liars at IBD. The questionable characters at google can refer you to other defective sources. Or you can trust your government to tell you all the truth you need.

I just hope all my friends here dont live in major cities or near high value targets where a bookkeeping error might ruin their day...
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Until recently I worked a couple of blocks from the White House...

The problem with electric cars and all the solar power ideas is that we don't have the battery power to make them work effeceintly. Even the Pruis is driving around with a few hundred pounds of HAzMat on board. (the batteries). Of course, pure electrics just shift the pollution from the cities out to the power plants. If everybody starts plugging their car in at night we will need a lot more power online. Which do you prefer? Coal, Hydro, Nuclear? They all have negative env impacts.


I don't see government fixing the problem. Instead of us wasting a few billion taxpayer dollars on govt programs that won't amount to squat, why not take that money and and offer a reward. Do you thnk GM and Ford would take alternative power seriously if we anted up 500 million taypayer dollars to the first company to produce a car that runs on something other than gasoline, and can be purchased by the average consumer?

It seems to be working for space flight - for a lot less cash from a private source too.
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The problem with "stealing" spent nuclear fuel rods, which is what we were talking about, is that you can't store these things in your closet. It takes specialized equipment to transport and store these things. Your average theif can't pull it off. Not because of security, but it's just difficult to handle.
Nitpick: Add the word "safely" to the end of each sentence and I agree. I'm not sure about the acitivy of spent rods, but I expect if the long term health effects are worth it to you, you could toss a couple into a suitcase and throw them into your closet until you need them. I may be wrong, though; how much radiation does it take to kill a person in minutes, and how much do spent rods have?
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I dont think the rods are particularly worthwhile for weapon usage on a large scale. Some of these other materials ARE though.

That was a meandering point...from nuclear energy through lost fuel rods to terrorist weapons. We're doing well today!

The point that most radiological materials wont kill you right away, coupled with the fact that these folks generally dont care if they die, is a concern. Even modestly contained the more nasty stuff like the cesium and cobalt can be kept "in a closet" for some time.

If you steal a roadside sign full of glow-in-the-dark tritium and smash it up while eating sunflower seeds, as 3 new jersey kids did a few years back, you do die a little while thereafter. I swear, I'm not making this stuff up.

If you wrap yourself in duct tape and plastic wrap you'll probably be ok though...
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I'm not aware of a US taxpayer subsidy for Prius development. Please elaborate. I know that there was a small tax deduction available to people who purchased hybrid cars, but my understanding is that this deduction is no longer available.

However, the "Hummer' deduction was included in bush tax cut. Judging by the number of large SUVs on the road, vs hybrids, I'd bet that the hummer deduction is costing taxpayer a lot more than the hybrid deduction costs.

Leveling the playing field is a good idea, that's why all future $ for Iraq should come directly from a oil tax. The less oil you use, the less you contribute.

I don't believe that alternative renewable sources will allow us to continue on our energy binge -- that's why efficient energy use, and conservation, needs to be a part of any strategy. When the government sells bonds to pay for war and aid to keep the price of oil low, people don't understand the real costs. If these prices were factored in, market forces would force effiecient energy use and conservation.

The tax on oil should include the costs of keeping prices low, as well as the cost of pollultion. The same approach would be used for other energy sources. For example, the cost of a hybrid would include the cost of disposing the battery.
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I think mick was being facetious.

However, the US and other governments have certainly put some money into battery and electric car development efforts.

How much of that toyota borrowed or licensed into their products is probably highly debatable.

Here's another stat I saw though...increasing average SUV mileage from 15 to 18 would be equivalent to selling 10,000 electric cars per year. Who knows where THAT came from but its fun to think about alternatives.

By the way, my big fat expedition has been sitting in the driveway since gas went over 2 bucks here. We've been driving the wifes Rav4 at 2x the mileage since then. The dogs HATE the smaller truck, and run to the expedition and look hopefully at me, then almost appear dejected when I open the back door to the rav...
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