Originally Posted by ERD50
Isn't it a LOT more complex than that? Isn't the #2 polluter also representing many more people than those other countries?
Yes, they may also have higher per capita rates in some cases, but then we also need to look at per capita contributions - as I said, it is complex.
I agree! Also to your second point about per capita figures - while I'm too lazy to look up the numbers right now, I would bet that the US lead China in all or most per capita categories by a hefty margin, be it energy consumption, waste production, or whatever.
But my post was not at all about wacking a developed nation, or comparing it to a developing country. All I really wanted to say is, if the US want a cleaner environment, they are in a great position to work towards that goal. It is the only superpower left, and still the richest nation in the world. And, it's a democracy! If you the people don't want overfishing of your coastal waters, or pollution of the Gulf of Mexico, or 86% of your energy coming from fossil fuels, you are able to change that. OTOH, if you feel that this is all just hippie bullsh*t that is endangering your dividends, then so be it.
Yes, it's complex. That's why it's too easy to point at China and Mexico and Brazil and say "it's all helpless, so screw this planet". I want to get rich AND leave my children a world that's worth living in. And I'm convinced that's possible.