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Old 02-10-2019, 11:32 AM   #81
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Good timing, so to speak, to have gone from the last year of MFJ to single. I come in just under the $10k SALT limit, so that new cut off didn't affect me.

I think this is my last year in the 22% bracket while I'm still working. I just moved an old rollover IRA into my 401k so that I can do backdoor Roths (while also doing mega backdoors though work), and so I won't bother to try to keep my MAGI in line with Roth levels anymore. Going to start withdrawing money from the spousal inherited IRA well into the 24% bracket to try to stay ahead of the eventual tax torpedo. I'm looking at it like a really big raise at work. Once I stop working, I'll try to convert more of that to Roth.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:17 PM   #82
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To reasonably determine how the new tax "cut" effected me, I inputted my 2018 information into my 2017 desktop version of taxact. I also overrode the 2017 standard deduction with the new 2018 deduction. I determined that my total tax went down by a mere 1% of my taxable income. The 2018 "larger" standard deduction is a bit misleading. For 2017, my std deduction $13500 + exemption $8100 + college tuition credit $2000 was $24050 while for 2018, the std deduction $25300 + college tuition credit $63 was $25363 or $1013 higher. If someone in 2017 had itemized deduction of $25,300, their total deduction + exemption would be $33,400 or $8100 higher.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:37 PM   #83
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2017 25% tax bracket Effective rate 10.32%
2018 22% tax bracket Effective rate 8.23%

Last year had to write a check, this year I get a check.
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:50 PM   #84
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Yikes! That's got to be a shock.

My property taxes went up 78% when I bought my Dream Home, because they hadn't reassessed my old home in nearly forever and they assessed my new home at the purchase price. But in my case 78% wasn't that bad since my property taxes were only pushed from $956 to $1701. Our state income taxes and property taxes are not that high (but the state and local services we get for what we pay, are abysmal).


Yes, it didnít happen all at once but with Prop 13 in CA, property taxes arenít supposed to rise so much. But they did, partly due to a remodel we did which increased our valuation and partly due to the CA voters who seem to relish every chance possible to improve something (parks, schools, roads, social services for the homeless, etc etc), while increasing taxes to fund it.
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2017 25% tax bracket Effective rate 10.32%
2018 22% tax bracket Effective rate 8.23%

Last year had to write a check, this year I get a check.
I took my 2018 income and deductions and crunched it into the 2017 taxact. Did you have the same income and deductions for both 2017 and 2018? That's the only way to compare the tax results.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:57 AM   #86
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STATES aren't "favored". PEOPLE make the choice where to live & what SALT and mortgage interest to pay. Why SALT should affect Fed income taxes paid escapes me.
When government changes the rules abruptly as they did, some states are "favored" and some are not. It wasn't an accident.
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When government changes the rules abruptly as they did, some states are "favored" and some are not. It wasn't an accident.
Politicians have used taxes to alter and punish behavior since taxes where invented.
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Once again, this is a thread about individual tax rates and how our taxes changed year-to-year.


Plenty of opportunity to discuss deficits, debts and other stuff in another thread.
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I took my 2018 income and deductions and crunched it into the 2017 taxact. Did you have the same income and deductions for both 2017 and 2018? That's the only way to compare the tax results.
A little more income and a little higher deduction for 2018.
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Yes, it didnít happen all at once but with Prop 13 in CA, property taxes arenít supposed to rise so much. But they did, partly due to a remodel we did which increased our valuation and partly due to the CA voters who seem to relish every chance possible to improve something (parks, schools, roads, social services for the homeless, etc etc), while increasing taxes to fund it.
My property tax increases (Prop 13 - 2% per year) have averaged around 3% to 5% every year.
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I had my taxes dialed in pretty good usually got a back a few hundred dollars from Fed and maybe owed State a bit as it was pretty much a wash. The SALT limits and living in MO I will now owe the Fed 4k and the state 300. I am not in a high state tax, I am not part of the dual income families, I do not have any business deducts and no mortgage interest. So I didn't look a the calculators just trusted the fake news said. Figured I would break even or owe a bit this year. Wasn't expecting that big of a tax bill.
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I did mine using TurboTax a few weeks ago and was not happy with the so called tax cut. Iím paying more. At least 25% more. Losing the personal exemptions tanked everything else for us.
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I think it will depend on circumstances.

If I take 2017 income at 2017 and 2018 deductions, limitations and tax rates, my taxes would actually have been higher because of SALT limitations and the structure of my 2017 income which was skewed towards qualified income.

However, if I take 2018 income at 2017 and 2018 deductions, limitations and tax rates, my taxes are lower because of lower rates and more ordinary income than preferenced income.

OTOH, my aunt and uncle, whose income is mostly pensions and SS, are paying much less in tax in 2018.
Nailed it. My taxes are increasing, but I itemized in 2017, and did not in 2018. I also spent more money on business related expenses in 2017 vs not spending a dime on the business in 2018. So although my tax rate increased, my overall cost of living decreased and my Gross also increased. Did get a slight break on rental pass through this year though too.



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I did mine using TurboTax a few weeks ago and was not happy with the so called tax cut. Iím paying more. At least 25% more. Losing the personal exemptions tanked everything else for us.
Me too! This single change to the code, hurt us the most. So as consumer's we just dialed back the spending.
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Just got my brokerage statement and did a quick download into Turbotax.

Subject to further review, it looks like we had a 9% INCREASE in AGI, and a 26% DECREASE in federal taxes, compared to 2017.

FIRE'd, no pension, no SS(yet). Income is Int/Div/Cap gains plus Roth conversions and tIRA distributions. Stayed within the 12% bracket (barely). Standard deduction. Same for both years. Cap gains were higher this year, since I depleted my carried losses last year, so I am sure this contributed to the lower rate, but not by more than 3-5%.

Effective tax rate about 6%. (vs 8.75% last year)
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I just finished our Federal tax forms. Amazingly, the total owed/refunded is ZERO! Yes, no refund, no payment.


It's the first time ever and my year included quarterly tax payments, interest, dividends, SS income, IRA pulls, insurance deductions, some consulting income, business expenses, etc.
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Politicians have used taxes to alter and punish behavior since taxes where invented.
No doubt about that.

The "behavior" being punished in this case appears to be living in certain states.
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No doubt about that.

The "behavior" being punished in this case appears to be living in certain states.
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I just finished our Federal tax forms. Amazingly, the total owed/refunded is ZERO! Yes, no refund, no payment.


It's the first time ever and my year included quarterly tax payments, interest, dividends, SS income, IRA pulls, insurance deductions, some consulting income, business expenses, etc.
What are the odds of that? Time to go to the casino . Of course I doubt you would get out of there for ZERO.
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What are the odds of that? Time to go to the casino . Of course I doubt you would get out of there for ZERO.
I don't know what the odds are, but I couldn't believe it when it showed up on the screen! And I double checked all the entries.
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