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10-18-2010, 02:39 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: LaLa Land
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With the 2 you mentioned you shouldn't need any others. They are also my favorites. But the ones that told me 100% were always my favorites. (heh)
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10-18-2010, 02:41 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 1,563
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10-18-2010, 03:21 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,391
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I also liked the ESPplanner basic. But when I went to the link I see that it is no longer available free without paying a fee.
The ESP planner's twist is the lifetime consumption smoothing where they attempt to balance spending while you work and when you retire.
When I used to run the basic edition it would tell me to spend more money than I have been.
<EDIT> here is the free basic edition of ESP Planner available free of charge:
https://basic.esplanner.com/
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10-18-2010, 03:34 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 3,504
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Run as many calculators as it takes you to feel comfortable!
I second the recommendation for ESPlanner. It is especially good to compare two strategies -eg. taking SS at 68 or 70, moving to a smaller home etc.
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10-18-2010, 03:54 PM
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Full time employment: Posting here.
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 717
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I like Fidelity too, but you have to have an account to use it.
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10-18-2010, 03:57 PM
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Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ...
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 10,252
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Add Otar's calculator to the mix.
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10-18-2010, 05:34 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,684
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Originally Posted by jefipius
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Strengths:
- Optimizes withdrawals
- Gives Roth conversion suggestions
- Tries to handle taxes - you tell it what tax rate to use
Weaknesses:
- Uses straight-line projections
I think OPR and FireCalc complement each other. Both are good, but they do different things.
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10-18-2010, 11:57 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Originally Posted by rec7
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I like Flexible Retirement Planner too. It's the first calculator I found that can model my partly-COLA'd pension. Later I found that FIRECalc can do it too. I haven't yet tried any of the others mentioned in this thread.
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10-19-2010, 03:27 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: midwestern city
Posts: 4,061
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hello Jefipius
Have you seen this one :
http://ira.bankofamerica.com/calculator/Default.aspx?section=calculator&subsection=content &bhcp=1
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Originally Posted by jefipius
Are there any other useful calculators out there that you know of?
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10-19-2010, 09:50 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,171
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Originally Posted by obgyn65
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I give this one a "thumbs down". I answered the questions, and the calculator told me I need about 1.4 million dollars. It didn't ask me how much pension or social security I will be eligible for, and assumed I will need 85% of my salary (even though due to high savings rate I am spending significantly less than that now). IMO, this is useful only for a very rough first estimate, and that only for people with no pension or Social Security.
I didn't bother to go to the very last screen to look at the savings plan, since the estimate was based on assumptions that don't apply to me.
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10-19-2010, 10:02 AM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,391
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyounge1956
I give this one a "thumbs down". I answered the questions, and the calculator told me I need about 1.4 million dollars. It didn't ask me how much pension or social security I will be eligible for, and assumed I will need 85% of my salary (even though due to high savings rate I am spending significantly less than that now). IMO, this is useful only for a very rough first estimate, and that only for people with no pension or Social Security.
I didn't bother to go to the very last screen to look at the savings plan, since the estimate was based on assumptions that don't apply to me.
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In the "advanced settings" you can turn on their estimate of your SS. You can also enter an income replacement ratio other than 85%.
Nonetheless, I also give this calculator a thumbs down. They pick a very low growth rate to project. Then they make you invest everything in an annuity.
It's like they stack the cards against you to make your picture as bleak as possible.
But maybe that's what people need to shake them out of their consumption binge.
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10-19-2010, 10:32 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 8,827
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyounge1956
I give this one a "thumbs down". I answered the questions, and the calculator told me I need about 1.4 million dollars. It didn't ask me how much pension or social security I will be eligible for, and assumed I will need 85% of my salary (even though due to high savings rate I am spending significantly less than that now). IMO, this is useful only for a very rough first estimate, and that only for people with no pension or Social Security.
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+1.
It is nothing but a present value calculator, of no use to me compared to FC or ORP. And it can be very misleading since it ignores so many important values as noted above.
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San Francisco Area
ESR'd March 2010. FIRE'd January 2011.
As if you didn't know..If the above message contains medical content, it's NOT intended as advice, and may not be accurate, applicable or sufficient. Don't rely on it for any purpose. Consult your own doctor for all medical advice.
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10-19-2010, 12:27 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,872
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Originally Posted by rec7
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I like this one too. However, it uses tax deferred money before 59.5 and never mentions 72t or withdrawal strategies. ORP does that though
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10-19-2010, 06:34 PM
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Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: midwestern city
Posts: 4,061
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Point well taken Rich, thank you for your posting. Well this website from BoA was the first retirement calculator I used for my own calculations. It maybe useful for people like me who are not financially savvy... I agree it has limitations.
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Originally Posted by Rich_in_Tampa
+1.
It is nothing but a present value calculator, of no use to me compared to FC or ORP. And it can be very misleading since it ignores so many important values as noted above.
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10-19-2010, 06:49 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 8,827
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Quote:
Originally Posted by obgyn65
Point well taken Rich, thank you for your posting. Well this website from BoA was the first retirement calculator I used for my own calculations. It maybe useful for people like me who are not financially savvy... I agree it has limitations.
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My assessment may have been a little harsh -- I can see where it might be useful as a first tool to acquire some general limits and ball park numbers. It is easy to use and neatly formatted.
I would just hate to see someone use it a few times and then take the results as gospel. It could be misleading for the reasons above, especially if they get the "green light" and then run with it unaware of its limitations. More sophisticated calculators like FireCalc include inflation adjustments, historic market returns, allow for one-time pensions and expenses, lump sum additions (e.g. from downsizing a house), withdrawal rates that vary over time (if you are a paid subscriber).
It's not that hard to use if you just take it one step at a time, and plenty of help here if needed. It helped me a lot.
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San Francisco Area
ESR'd March 2010. FIRE'd January 2011.
As if you didn't know..If the above message contains medical content, it's NOT intended as advice, and may not be accurate, applicable or sufficient. Don't rely on it for any purpose. Consult your own doctor for all medical advice.
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10-20-2010, 07:40 PM
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Dryer sheet aficionado
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 44
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Wow - thanks for all the responses guys! Lots of new toys to play with.
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