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Old 03-25-2016, 02:25 PM   #121
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Glad I'm not a millennial. I'd be so, so tired of all these codgers who just don't get it!

Dudes, why would I want to retire and travel when I can VR the whole thing right now from my living room.

Clueless losers!
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Old 03-25-2016, 03:37 PM   #122
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Fun aside, are they around codgers enough to get tired of them? Even when I lived in South Florida, where Old People abound, I didn't come into contact with codgers all that much. Young people hung out with young people, and codgers had their own enclaves.

The codgers were clearly another species. For one thing, they all looked exactly alike to my young eyes - short, stocky, and gray all over - except the females had a bit more hair, and usually wore pastel colors. You'd see codgers promenading ponderously along sidewalks on gigantic high-wheeled tricycles with sun awnings. Or they'd congregate in open-air shopping strips, waiting for the drugstore to open so they could grab sale items. Or you'd have to dodge a codger backing his or her enormous car out of a parking space without looking.

But aside from that, we really had very little to do with each other.

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Glad I'm not a millennial. I'd be so, so tired of all these codgers who just don't get it!

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Old 03-25-2016, 10:56 PM   #123
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Hmm...



25 years * 52 weeks * 60 work hours = 78,000 work hours



40 years * 52 weeks * 40 work hours = 83,200 work hours



Difference: 5,200 work hours (or ~2.5 "work years")

IMO lazy managers can only judge the perceived performance of their subordinates by how long they are staying at work as apposed to living life outside the office. Truly good management judges performance by results and what gets truly accomplished each week and the quality of that work. Unless you are talking factory work, they are often unrelated. Lots of white collar workers who work 50-60 hour weeks do so to either look good on the surface with little to show for it underneath, or they have to stay longer to keep up with smarter more efficient folks who can do better work in half the time. This is the major falsehood with Corp America today. One way to get out from under this trap if you're a more efficient, higher productive employee is to be self employed and sell your work as a consultant where you get paid for what you deliver, not by. how many hours your ass it clocked in a chair by some idiot.


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Old 03-26-2016, 12:27 AM   #124
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IMO lazy managers can only judge the perceived performance of their subordinates by how long they are staying at work as apposed to living life outside the office. Truly good management judges performance by results and what gets truly accomplished each week and the quality of that work. Unless you are talking factory work, they are often unrelated. Lots of white collar workers who work 50-60 hour weeks do so to either look good on the surface with little to show for it underneath, or they have to stay longer to keep up with smarter more efficient folks who can do better work in half the time. This is the major falsehood with Corp America today. One way to get out from under this trap if you're a more efficient, higher productive employee is to be self employed and sell your work as a consultant where you get paid for what you deliver, not by. how many hours your ass it clocked in a chair by some idiot.


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One of the great things I found about being a self employed microprocessor software consultant (since 1981, until 2 yrs ago, now I am a lazy bum) was that was exactly that. Nobody knew if I was writing their code at the local coffee shop, or in my bathrobe in the middle of the night. They only saw if it worked. I often worked with people who sat in cubicles all day, I would never wish that on even an enemy.
And indeed one even told me that they worked late and came in on Saturdays when a project completion was overdue just to make management happy, knowing it wouldn't change how much actually got accomplished.

On the other hand, it is amazing how much people can accomplish when they have to concentrate on getting it done, rather than looking like they are getting it done.

But.... glad it is not my problem anymore
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Ironically, some of my breakthrough ideas came overnight from my subconscious. So I would appear to be extremely productive at work. I always chose my own hours and even served as a role model to my employees to get out by 5PM. Morale went up and so did productivity!
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