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"Granny Pod" Is this the answer to the LTC issue?
Old 07-22-2012, 04:27 PM   #1
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"Granny Pod" Is this the answer to the LTC issue?

I can't figure out whether this is a great idea or a terrible one...


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Old 07-22-2012, 05:20 PM   #2
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I'll guess that most people could install the technology inside their homes. If necessary, add a first floor bedroom.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:21 PM   #3
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It's a good idea. Why the heck not? If municipalities want to assure the zoning variances aren't being abused they can set up some sort of re-validation procedure, and even a fee to cover it.

Folks with a huge house and lots of money wouldn't benefit much--they can find room within the existing 4000 sq ft for Granny or build an addition. It's the folks in a 1700 sq ft spec house with kids still at home that could really use such a thing.

It looks fairly high-end, probably to get the concept off the ground. It could be done in a more affordable fashion and also designed to "plug in" directly to an existing structure so nobody has to go out in the cold or rain to pay a visit.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:29 PM   #4
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Actually the floor camera idea could be adapted to existing homes as well. Although I have had an idea that has not been implemented, put microphones around the house hooked up to a computer with voice recognition software, that upon saying perhaps Mayday Mayday, calls 911 and connects the mike and a speaker to the phone. One could also combine this with motion detectors in the bathrooms, so that if there is no motion in the bathrooms for X hours help is summoned. The other monitors will just get better over time as well, such as the blood pressure cuff, why not take one of the wrist ones, put wi-fi in it, and a beeper as well (to find if it wanders off)
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Damn, where was this when my kids were teenagers? I coulda popped them into one and locked the door til they were 18.
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I think this is a great idea for an elder who still has the cognition to state a preference and the mobility to enjoy their privacy. It's not much different than the spare bedroom & guest bathroom.

The monitoring tech has been around for quite some time. A local company is doing a good business for those who prefer to live independently but who agree that they need frequent monitoring: iHealthHome System

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Damn, where was this when my kids were teenagers? I coulda popped them into one and locked the door til they were 18.
Gotta be careful about providing lodging that's better than a dorm room or their first apartment...
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I think this is a great idea for an elder who still has the cognition to state a preference and the mobility to enjoy their privacy. It's not much different than the spare bedroom & guest bathroom.
Hmm....while you and I might view it that way, beauty is in the eye of the elder generation of curmudgeons beholder.

I still can hear my dear old grandmother (passed on last year) going on about how my sister made her an offer several years ago to come and live with her, and how she could live in the basement with her own guest area.

[insert voiceover of 84 year old extremely pissed Sicilian woman] The basement! The NERVE of her! I don't deserve to be put in a BASEMENT!

I don't even want to hazard what her reaction would be to a shipping container retrofitted to living quarters. In the backyard.

The worst is that she had no sense of humor. So even trying to joke about something like a Granny Pod for her would only result in her quoting you with all sincerity for the rest of her life, at the most random, embarrassing possible times.
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Like most things it can be used to the advantage AND/OR disadvantage.
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Like most things it can be used to the advantage AND/OR disadvantage.
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I'm sure it will be a viable option for some people. But it looks like (installed) adding another room would be a similar expense and a lot less likely to run afoul of zoning issues.
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Not tacky looking as I expected. The problem is that you would need a lot of space to install one of these. Maybe we will start seeing modular old folks communities populated with these units all monitored by caregivers in the sky.
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I think the cost is a bit to high... $2000 per month for 288 sq ft?

I do not see enough equipment that would make it worth that much money....
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The physical attributes of the proposed living quarters look fine to me.

BUT - - there is another, bigger problem ostensibly being addressed here and I don't like the outcome at all. The assumption that one should just descend upon one's children and expect lifetime elder care from them as some kind of right is not fine, with me. Of course this depends on one's family customs and dynamics, so YMMV and that is perfectly OK with me. I'm just not enthused about doing something like that to my daughter, and will do all that I can to independently pay for my own care.

Perhaps these pods could be part of an assisted living facility, with (paid) caregivers moving from pod to pod as needed during the day.
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Just lock up granny in pod out back, that'll keep her from wandering off. Not sure what kind of emoticon to use here...

I wonder how granny pods fare in wind storms.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:23 AM   #15
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Ms G and I stayed in a container home once, the owners called it temporary, no zoning violation.


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Just lock up granny in pod out back, that'll keep her from wandering off. Not sure what kind of emoticon to use here...
My Dad's care facility uses RFID bracelets that alarm the exit doors. Certified Alzheimer's "memory care units" may use locked doors, although I bet that gets to be a problem during fires or fire drills.

You can also buy cheap GPS transmitters in shoes or bracelet/necklace jewelry. The service fee includes a certain number of monthly "Find my Mom!" calls to their tracking facility.

The fees are actually quite reasonable due to volume production... because they're also popular for pets.

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I wonder how granny pods fare in wind storms.
I think L. Frank Baum covered that during the tornado in "The Wizard of Oz"...
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Fit the person to the home, however it is done.

We live in a senior community complex with four step living possiblilites. Currently in a regular house "Villa"(step one). Were I alone, I would be happier living in a senior apartment, with others of my age for social contact. (step two). When necessary, a move to assisted living, (step three). If and when necessary, the nursing home, (step four). Also a full featured rehab center, and an Alzheimer separate nursing home addition.

There are hundreds of similar complexes throughout the nation. It allows senior retirees to build and continue social contacts in the later years.

Our complex is named Liberty Village... Google "simply the finest" for an overview.

The granny house sounds very attractive, but in a complex many of the features are duplicated...
Pull cords in every room connected to response service in the complex, lever handled doors (easier for arthritis sufferers) no door sills, carpeted floors, slide out cupboards, waist level electrical outlets, extra wide doors, raised bathroom toilets, walk in showers with hand holds, and seats.

Sorry if this is off topic, but thought it may be interesting as an alternative for couples, and a transition for when anything happens... health problems, death of a partner, temporary disability.

The two thousand dollars a month mentioned in an earlier post, would provide a modern studio apartment, with all expenses except phone paid, two major meals a day, use of library, beauty shop, common rooms, card and game room, restaurant, transportation for doctors, shopping and social events, light housekeeping, and planned activities for those who want more.

It's not for everyone, but we enjoy our home, and feel a degree of safety about our future, should anything disrupt our perfect retirement.

The issue is Long Term Care. This is one alternative.
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I think this is a great idea for an elder who still has the cognition to state a preference and the mobility to enjoy their privacy. It's not much different than the spare bedroom & guest bathroom.

The monitoring tech has been around for quite some time. A local company is doing a good business for those who prefer to live independently but who agree that they need frequent monitoring: iHealthHome System

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Thanks for the link. Good stuff.
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Interesting concept. I kind of wish I'd know about this 6-7 years ago when we were first addressing this need.

We ended up building a "companion unit" granny flat in our back yard. The in-laws did not want to be in our house "imposing" on us. They want privacy and independence. But FIL has had mobility and cognitive issues for a decade and MIL (in her mid 80's) needs more and more assistance caring for him as she gets older. She was injuring herself trying to care for him. Like many folks who grew up in the depression - she is unwilling to consider a nursing home because of the medicaid spend down rules. There is no long term insurance. They don't have a huge net worth - but what they have gives her a sense of security. Family has been encouraging her to consider the care facility solution but she won't have it.

For us building the granny flat was a good solution - and it will provide income (rent) when they no longer need it. That rent was not a driver when we were building 5 years ago- but it's making our retirement income stream look a bit rosier when we quit our j*bs in the next few years.

My husband is an architect - and incorporated many of the features described with the granny pod - ADA bathroom w/ roll in shower. Grab bars and other accessible/mobility features. It works very well for their needs - but decent finishes make it less "hospital". (Example: shower is a wet room - but tiled in a very nice travertine... nicer than our current master bath.)

It's nice to talk about putting an aging parent in the spare bedroom - but the aging parent might have different ideas about whether that's a good solution. Rational/logic does not always apply.

Here's a pic of the unit when it was close to done. (Still needed patio railing, etc..) It's smaller than it looks - just under 700sf.

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