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When our founding fathers said it was OK to own guns it was like the wild west. *No Police and really no army to protect the public.
No one really needs a gun today in my opinion. *Nothing good can happen with guns. *
I'm sure we have all picked up the paper and read about the deaths that occur every day that are caused by guns. *Yes we will all die from something but what does that have to do with the price of Onions in China?
We all have an opinion but guns are just not rational in mine.
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and as for the girl with the hubby that is in the millitary I take it and liberal? he is in the minority. most millitary personel are conservitive.
Hmm. I would agree that the military averaged out is probably a little to the right of center, but you'd probably be surprised at the diversity of opinion in the ranks (especially since the start of this war). Most military folk are too busy doing their job to get wrapped up in politics, and have experienced enough of the world to know that there aren't simple answers to problems. Usually the most extreme conservatives I've met have never served (nor sent their kids to serve), and yet seem most likely to use military service as a litmus test for patriotism. Odd.

As for cuts to the military - after the end of the Cold War both sides were equally eager to reap the spoils from a military draw down - liberals for social programs and conservatives for tax cuts (let us remember that Cheney as SecDef under Bush-1 was responsible for huge cuts in defense). They were probably both wrong. Conservatives may wave the flag a little harder, but if you think they are friends of the military then ask a few who will be affected by Bush's proposed cuts to veterans programs.

BTW, I've read through this thread and still can't figure out how we got on the topic of gun control. I know my observation is even further off topic, but hell, my spouse is due home in a few weeks and I'm feeling a little exuberant. It's an even better feeling than finishing the taxes last night and realizing that we're paying no federal income tax for 2004.
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I've looked back at this thread to try to figure where it ran off track. I think I found the source of the problem in the original post. ed teach ends that post by saying . . .
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*I know my observation is even further off topic, but hell, my spouse is due home in a few weeks and I'm feeling a little exuberant. *It's an even better feeling than finishing the taxes last night and realizing that we're paying no federal income tax for 2004.
Flowgirl, I'm very happy for you that your man is heading home safely. Peace and joy to both of you!

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"White collar crime" is an oxymoron.

Now, let's take Martha Stewart.
She did what is done EVERY DAY, millions of time in total.
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Well for 454, you have it all wrong, as a liberal, there was no wild wild west, when the constitution and the bill of rights was written. the east was settled.
the cities were bustling, and the reasons for gun owner ship was to keep the power of government in check. to keep it with "the people"
No good can come from gun owner ship? Well I say no good can come from the first amendment, freedom of religion is of no good today, our founding fathers did not consive of all the Moslem,Buddhist, and other non Christian religions, so I say take it out of the bill of rights, religion is just a crutch for the weak minded. and televangelists that take old peoples money so they will have to eat cat food so Bennie hinn can have the live of riley.
and freedom of the press. the founding fathers never conceived of the internet, TV. radio. and we now have a nice big central government to tell us what is going on.
Oh ya you liberals don't like the central government. oh well I say shut down the internet. and TV news, and radio, both concretive,and al Franken, You libs would probably like the latter as the liberal radio shows are on the verge of bankruptcy, they just don't draw the audience that the rush , hanity, and other shows do.
So I am with you get rid of the first and second amendments. give me my 40w light bulb, bike, and seeds to start my herb garden, and I will join a commune, and we can all talk to the animals. because no good can come from , guns, internet,radio,TV, cutting trees,eating animals,wearing animal products,OOP's I will have to throw out my 40w light bulb,, no power plants. they make nasty enviro waste, and we cant have that. just give me the bike, wait, there will be no reason to go any where, nothing to buy. I surly don't need any ammo for the guns I don't have.
I can just hoe my herb garden.
you liberals are all the same. you talk out both sides of your mouths, just like Ted Kennedy, Jane Fonda,Rosie odonald, and many others, they want to take the guns out of our hands, but they have body guards with Uzi's to protect them. another case of the left that knows what is good for the little people. That my friends is why the left is loosing, and has been since the revolution of 94. You just cant see that you have lost the white house, sen, and HR, the majority of gov's, and many state cong. you just don't get it, even when you loose, you go farther to the left.
even your gu ru Billie "I like to do nasty things with my cigars" Clinton, understood that he needed to at least play like a centrist to win.
but the Howard deans "yeeeeahhh" still are taking the party leftward ho.
I say fine, and you will keep loosing, even with the propaganda, and out right lies of F 9/11 from mikei mooron, and the liberal press, giving bush a bad wrap at every turn, you could not pull it off, instead you sit by and talk about, if we could have just go 40k more voters in Ohio, if if if. if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.
you live in if.
You attack so may fronts you make hitler look like a pin point front.
The logic you people use is amazing to me, police are the only protection we need, well in the liberal cities, a pizza will arrive faster than a cop when someone is raping or stabbing you or your kids, I wonder if you will think a colt under the pillow is a bad idea when that happens?
I frequent a local coffee shop that is mostly a liberal hang out, one of the old hippie, love peace we don't need an army, if every one just loved oneanother girls.
She was going to live in her vw bug [as we speak] and go around the beaches of fla. for a couple of months.
I was joking around and told her that she needed a gun to take with her, and did she want me to lend her one?
She said she did not believe in self defense,and if someone wanted to rape her well rape away.
Typical liberal crap. and how do you argue with that kind of mentality? you don't, you just vote against it.
The liberals are killing this country, they are the ones involved in the aclu, and sewing property owners for not having water available to the illegals that cross our southern boarders, they went to court with the Nazi's in Chicago to get them the right to march in Skokie ill. a mostly Jewish community. aclu? a bunch of hippie nut jobs that are mad because the 60s "we are going to change the world" fell flat on its face, Look at George carlin, he used to be all about this we can change the world, now he just rants on about how we as humans are going to all die, and good ridens to us. we screwed up the planet, blablablablbabla. he is loosing his audience. every one I talk to is sick of his "no hope fu@k hope" attitude. Well when you are a anti white, industry,chemical, liberal, you will always loose.
I will venture to say that most of us here would not be if it were not for "industry, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, ect.
and how many times have you conservatives talked to a liberal "we need to take care of the earther" and they get in there SUV and drive off to buy a new DVD player so they can watch the home movies that they took with the new Sony cam, of the last vacation they took in which they flew to canon? Hypocrites.
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I am with you brotha. here is a funny story I found a while back.

PAINT THEIR SWASTIKA GREEN
by Brien Bartels

Whenever a group of enviro-lefties get together a lot of clumsy comparisons get thrown around concerning Republicans, free-marketeers, businessmen, and their alleged resemblance to fascists and Nazis. Which is odd because those groups, however much you like or loathe them, are of various Christian denominations or even Jewish, don’t advocate street violence or eugenics, don’t tend to subjugate individuals to abstractions like racial purity, etc. In fact the list of dissimilarities goes on and on.
But, when you look at the political wing of the environmental/socialist movement, the various Green Parties of the world, you see the following ominous parallels.
The Green Party is led by a bunch of pagan, vegetarian dropouts. So were the Nazis. Hitler was a failed artist and vegetarian. The leader of the SS, Himmler (another soy-sucker), wanted his Black Corps to be the vanguard of a pre-Christian back-to-the-land movement. The rituals and symbols he devised to replace Christian services looked like really bad art direction of a performance of Wagner’s Ring Cycle .
The Green Party claims to stand for workers’ rights. "Nazi" is short for National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
Sometimes the Greens wear animal costumes to political functions. The Nazis went to their rallies in drag as well.
The Greens stand up for farmers and peasants, foreign and domestic. The Nazis were wonderfully agrarian, even advocating organizing farming. They just wanted the farms to be in the Ukraine, tended by the untermench .
The Greens advocate "decentralization." The Nazis practiced decentralization by giving their colonial governments life and death power over the organic farmers in their jurisdiction.
The Greens wage a defensive war of sabotage and propaganda for the oppressed peasants of the world. The Nazis waged a defensive war for the oppressed Aryans of Central Europe.
Greens occasionally smash shop windows to get their point across. One word: Kristalnacht.
I’m not sure, but I imagine the Greens disapprove of smoking tobacco. The Nazi regime tried to ban smoking in public places, forcing its soldiers to set an example of abstinence.
The Greens hate guns, especially private ownership of guns. The Nazis inflicted on the world groundbreaking "gun-control" laws, which they tested by confiscating the arms of German Jews.
The Greens are big tree planters. Seven years ago, an aerial survey of the former East Germany revealed a stand of larch in a forest of pine. These trees, planted by an early and flamboyant supporter of Hitler, formed a huge bright green swastika for a few weeks in spring and a flaming yellow one in the fall. (Ironically, the Germans, those engineers, fooled around for five years before removing the swastika, because they thought cutting down only the larches would just leave a swastika shaped hole in the forest. I guess they eventually got permission to flatten even de-Nazi-fied trees.)
The Greens want investment in alternative energy. The Nazis pioneered not only synthetic oil from coal (to cope with the small problem of a hopeless war) they also invested a ton of Reich marks in an alternative energy system exploiting an until-then useless substance called uranium.

And of course, there is the whole fetish for Volkswagen Mini-buses.
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Flowgirl, I'm very happy for you that your man is heading home safely. Peace and joy to both of you!

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Thanks Mikey! It's been quite a rollercoaster ride, but the 45-day vacation we're headed on at the end of next month is sure to take the edge off. Will be blowing a nice chunk of savings to live it up a little on a backpacking trip around Europe, ER-consquences be damned! I figure John Galt would be proud - but he's right - sometimes you do gotta live for today.
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D-mm teach. at least JG keeps it short and sweet.

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Ed teach, I must have hit a nerve.
Is your real name Drudge or Hannity?
Are you saying that in the 1780's no one was walking around with guns and that you could go to a phone and dial 911?
In the early 1800's our own V. President shot Hamilton and was never charged, yet you say the east was settled!
Yea sometimes it is good to have a gun if your getting raped or some other horrible crime.
But how many children are killed with guns everyday. Stray bullets killing bystanders and other unnecessary killings with guns.
Laws are always changed so don't say that what was good in the 1700's society is necessarily good now. Everything in life is subject to change.
As I said this is only an opinion.
I hope after you read this you can sleep tonight.
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It is exactly because of people with opinions like yours that the founding fathers put the second amendment into the constitution, You are all wrong on the changing constitution, if that were the case the thing would not be worth the paper it was written on.
It is the stability and farsightedness of the instrument and the concept that makes this this piece of paper priceless.
If you had children and told them that it is ok to hit your brother when you are 10 but when you are 15 that's a paddlin?, firearms are not a problem, liberal easing of criminal punishment is one of the big problems, you know mom sat them backward on the toilet seat so let Willie Horton go? the first gun control was begun by dems. after the civil war to keep guns out of the blacks hands. dems were the ones fighting to keep the slaves, and did not want former slaves with firearms. I don't blame them, if I were a dem, in 1866 I would not want a black with a gun next to me either. fortunately the second amendment will not be striped in my life time, and guns will be legal, except for the blue areas of the county, and who in hell would live there, to high taxes, no guns, high crime. why is it that the blue areas "Mecca for dems" has all the high crime? I would think that with all the dems it would be paradise.
look at a map of voting, no one state is completely blue, and many states are red. you guys will keep loosing, and we have the house, sen.,and white house.
for cripe sake we even took the gov. of California. they are getting tired of liberal crap.
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Speaking of liberal crap - being one of them thar lifelong liberals, in the 70's with stocks being the dumper so to speak, did some research on gun collecting - the number 15%/yr comes to mind if done well.

Have no idea how gun collecting (shooters and keepers) is doing today - but if one develops knowledge and skill in that area?

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look at a map of voting, no one state is completely blue, and many states are red. you guys will keep loosing, and we have the house, sen.,and white house.
for cripe sake we even took the gov. of California. they are getting tired of liberal crap.
Ed,

You seem to be a perfect representative of the 'Red States'. Myself; I never wanted to be part of the masses.

You have convinced me!
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Please don't lump people as being liberal because of a dislike of guns and what they do.
As a life long registered Republican I have many of the same values as you do.
I just see some things differently than you do. I try to keep an open mind and have my own values and opinions.
My opinion on guns is not to reduce penalties but increase them.
The guns are not evil just the people who use them.
But I still see no use for them in our current society.
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unk Mick, you are correct, I have yet to see a gun price go down, they do not move but up.
I have a 1863 sharps carbine that I purchased many years ago for 1200, thought it was high then but wanted it. I tore a check up for 3k a little under a year ago. I just could not part with it.
I sold probably 15 guns to up grade my collection, and I made money on every one. maybe not much on some, but made, not lost. I now buy mostly German wehrmacht marked guns, you would not believe the interest and money that people will pay for ww2 items.
Hey cut, you don't want to go with the flow? that is exactly what the liberals use to make people do what they want, look at Hollywood, can you imagine one up and coming actor telling rob whiner, Hey I don't believe the environment is on the verge of collapse? or I think we can drill in Alaska for oil safely? no cut when in blue areas you do as blues or you are snubbed big time. the same goes for the media, can you imagine one of the big boys like Dan blather saying bush is really doing a good job or I agree with bush on this or that point? nope, much safer to make fake military reports on how he was a bad guardsman. lol just goes to show, liberals are lemmings. and they just ran off a cliff.
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Good morning my good friends. WARNING...........
This is a CHP (coffee hour post).

Man, I don't know where to start. But, first for JOE
and similar thinkers; you shouldn't have to show a NEED to own a gun. I believe you should be able to own
tanks and rocket launchers as long as you don't hurt
anyone with them. Seriously, I would set the bar very low on what you can own.

For Zipper's remark that ed teach would be jailed in
Canada........ Zip would probably be shot at in Texas

As for Martha Stewart, I would like to hand her an AK-47
when she walks out of the slammer as a welcome home gift.

What's ironic here is that this thread got so hot
(and off course) and then I posted some outrageous stuff that
was barely noticed. In fact, I almost think I was
surpassed in being deliberately provocative, which is
pretty hard to do IMHO

I did want to explain my post about "white collar
crime" being an "oxymoron", a statement which is
obviously not literally true. These are so many laws and regulations that it is a practical impossibility to run a company without breaking some. Thus, all it takes
is someone (in law enforcement) with an ax to grind
(or just time on their hands) and you end up with
prosecution run amok. In Illinois alone
they put 500 new laws on the books as of January 1,
2005. So what applies to corp. America also applies to
all of you good people; i.e more laws equals more lawbreakers.
This is why I cut the Ken Lays amd Martha Stewarts a lot of slack. They may be guilty as sin, but with the
proliferation of legislation they really can't avoid
stepping in a cowpie every now and then.

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Come now, you're not trying to backpedal on this to make yourself seem "more reasonable" are you? Your message came through loud and clear especially with such choice comments as this one from earlier in the thread. The best thing to be said is that at least you're honest about it. If only others of your ilk would be.

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