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Old 05-12-2016, 11:02 AM   #161
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BUT... The first night we had dinner with another well-traveled couple. The husband would always quietly turn the subject back to THEIR travels. You've been to Dubrovnik? So have they, and they've been to Antarctica, too. Usually I enjoy this type of conversation; you exchange interesting stories, each learns about some place they might want to visit in the future- but it was so one-sided there was no exchange. We avoided them the rest of the trip.
We had a guy like that at work. No matter what you did, where you went or how you got there, he did it before you and did it bigger and better. One-upmanship to the max.

We called him "Kidney" because if you ever told him you had a kidney removed, he'd likely say he had BOTH his kidneys removed.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:23 AM   #162
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Some people say this like it's the worst thing in the world, but I never worried about it (then again, if I've had occasion to visit places where Americans might be harmed, I've stayed in the American compound). There is no way I can avoid being identified as an American, and I am not at all ashamed of it either. Heck, I've had French people correct my French in the nicest way, and thanked them for it. I've even had English people correct my English!

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Me either! Never even heard of Mossy Oak I wonder if perhaps it is something specific to FlyBoy5's local community that hasn't reached New Orleans. I'll ask Frank if he has seen those stickers but I sure haven't ever noticed any here.

I did know that yeti was a cooler, but I think I heard about that on another forum. I've never actually seen a yeti cooler AFAIK.
Mossy Oak is a distinct southern "thing". Some folks will spend quite a bit to "wrap" their trucks. And of course, they have to spend $300+ on a Yeti cooler to keep their PBR cold!

https://www.google.com/search?q=moss...ssy+oak++truck

I also see the "Salt Life" decals, which I laugh at because my DW and I SWEAR that it looks like "SLUT LIFE".

Edit...I see that you can BUY the Yeti decal. So, you can PAY for privilege of advertising their overpriced cooler. SMH.

http://yeticoolers.com/window-decal/
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Mossy Oak is a distinct southern "thing". Some folks will spend quite a bit to "wrap" their trucks. And of course, they have to spend $300+ on a Yeti cooler to keep their PBR cold!

https://www.google.com/search?q=moss...ssy+oak++truck

I also see the "Salt Life" decals, which I laugh at because my DW and I SWEAR that it looks like "SLUT LIFE".
Thanks for the clarification. I had thought the decals did indeed say "Slut Life" .
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We had a guy like that at work. No matter what you did, where you went or how you got there, he did it before you and did it bigger and better. One-upmanship to the max.

We called him "Kidney" because if you ever told him you had a kidney removed, he'd likely say he had BOTH his kidneys removed.
I dated a woman like that once. Glad to be free of that!
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:31 PM   #166
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We had a guy like that at work. No matter what you did, where you went or how you got there, he did it before you and did it bigger and better. One-upmanship to the max.



We called him "Kidney" because if you ever told him you had a kidney removed, he'd likely say he had BOTH his kidneys removed.

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Old 05-12-2016, 12:35 PM   #167
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I was always in awe about guys like Buffett and Walton driving old pickups and living simply. Said if I ever made money i'd live the same as those guys.
When you're in the 1% of the 1% of the 1% there's not many things you can buy that people in your category are impressed with. Thats why a lot of these people buy companies for 10's of billions of dollars. Its one of the few things they can purchase that someone with $500 million cannot.

Anyone with money can buy an expensive car...even cars priced at $10 million can be had by a lot of wealthy people, same with yachts, homes, planes, etc etc.

Sure some billionaires flaunt their money but people in their circle that they associate with can do the same thing.

Hopefully this made some sense. I heard this years ago and thought it was pretty cool.
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Old 05-12-2016, 02:04 PM   #168
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What do you class as "putting your wealth on display" and how do you figure doing that will result in losing it?

I don't try to "hide any wealth" I may have, nor would it even be possible in most cases. Certainly don't think I "flaunt" it either. Have been increasing any such wealth throughout. Do you think I should be doing something differently?
I only meant that there are people who spend high for their homes, cars, and other bling in order to impress others. Some who do are outspending their means.
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Also, someone mentioned consumerism in our country and I can't quite understand the "sticker" craze. It started with Apple stickers on cars, then it was Mossy Oak (at least here in the south) and now I am seeing Yeti cooler stickers everywhere. I don't get it? You like Apple products and Yeti coolers, so you advertise for them for FREE? I guess I will just put it in the column of "Don't get it".
If I spend $800 on a tablet or a phone or $400 on a cooler, you better believe I'm going to advertise it with a bunch of stickers to let everyone know how high status I am.
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We had a guy like that at work. No matter what you did, where you went or how you got there, he did it before you and did it bigger and better. One-upmanship to the max.

We called him "Kidney" because if you ever told him you had a kidney removed, he'd likely say he had BOTH his kidneys removed.
Oh yeah, I've got you beat. We had a guy we called "Two Kidneys". If you ever told him you had two kidneys removed, he'd likely say he had ALL FOUR of his kidneys removed.
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I only meant that there are people who spend high for their homes, cars, and other bling in order to impress others. Some who do are outspending their means.
I think a lot depends on their demeanor. I do not care about cars, but someone with a lesser networth than mine but who loves cars may spend a lot more money for a car than I do. Just because he buys a fancy car does not mean that he is trying to impress me (and I am not that easy to impress with any car, by the way).

And do we really know if someone is overextending himself? People have different priorities, and spend their money on what brings them the most pleasure and they may cut back elsewhere.

Both my wife and I like to cut back on most things, but then people will call us cheapskates (if they know how much money we have). We just like to keep that number at the bottom of the Quicken screen, and I don't care what people say (they say nothing, because they do not know).
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I'm somewhere in the middle. There is such a thing as liking nice stuff for its own sake. Why does everyone always point the finger at people who have nice things, accusing them of being "insecure" and "trying to impress people" and the like?
That is not everybody. It is actually fairly rare other than on this board.

I've been around the track a few turns, and i don't know anyone in real life who needs these "Oh, they can't be rich, look at the wife's pretty clothes and the Targa, they must be up to their eyeballs in debt, no doubt we will soon hear they are in bankruptcy court!" My Dad carried on like this, and he was not always but usually wrong as are I would guess many people on this board who have this attitude.

There are just many very well to do people in America. I know and have known plenty of self made rich, and some hereditary rich, though they are harder to get to know. By rich I do not mean a few million dollars, though I will take any that might come my way. The fact that they do not have to cut coupons or drive old cars does not diminish the successes of those of us who as I do, need to live carefully.

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It's hard to embrace "the dark side" after a lifetime of saving. I really have to stop beating myself and just do it. I did something last year that was totally unlike anything I have ever done before. Bought 2 first class airplane tickets to Detroit for my buddies daughter's wedding. Took my girlfriend too. Paid 3X the coach fair just to have bigger seats and cocktails on the runway. But I'm 6-2 and wanted for once in my life to not have to worry about the guy in front of crushing my knees.

I don't travel a lot and I don't think it was worth it but hey...once before I die eh?

I'm gonna buy a brand new car in a year or so. Never did that before either. Just go through the checklist and get exactly what I want and built for me, call me when it's ready. Yeah I know, that's the most expensive way to buy a car but I'm gonna do that once before I die too.

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We had a guy like that at work. No matter what you did, where you went or how you got there, he did it before you and did it bigger and better. One-upmanship to the max.

We called him "Kidney" because if you ever told him you had a kidney removed, he'd likely say he had BOTH his kidneys removed.
There is a recurring character in the Dilbert strip called Topper who personifies this.
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... I don't travel a lot and I don't think it was worth it but hey...once before I die eh?...
The problem may be that

"A luxury once sampled becomes a necessity" -- Anon

We have had international business class seats a few times, and first class once, but all were courtesy of megacorps. Man, oh man, it was tough going back to the peasants' crowded seats. I have been saying, if I had more money, better airline seats would be the 1st thing I spent money on, particularly for long international flights. Domestic flights? Meh, as I can endure it for a couple of hours.
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This is how geeks do one-upmanship.

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They are not so easy to get anymore either. I used to fly a lot with one of my old jobs and had miles up the ying-yang. What's the last thing a "frequent flyer" wants to do on vacation? Take an airplane ride and sleep in a hotel. So a lot of folks use them for first class upgrades.

Yup, me too. But this was the first time I paid my own dough -
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Yup, me too. But this was the first time I paid my own dough -
Well, that's one more time than I have.

By the way, I looked at the difference in price between coach and business class for non-stop LAX/Sydney and was shocked. Yes, we got that free when we flew to Australia some years ago, courtesy of megacorp again. First class? Forget it!
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The next trip with the GF will be to Durango, CO to visit her sister and BIL. Flying Southwest, non-stop to Albuquerque, one class.

I'm not worried about becoming addicted to the good life, I have to force myself to do it.
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The thing about cramped airseats is that when you get older and older, you start to ask yourself if the exotic destination you like to visit is worth the contortion you have to endure to get there. Travel or not to travel becomes more of a monetary issue when you think of the expensive seats.

Will I ever have enough money to spend $15K for two business seats without cringing? It does not look likely at this point.
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