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Old 01-24-2009, 01:25 AM   #41
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Around here, foreclosures are showing up and bank-owned properties are sitting on the market, but we haven't had the horrific glut of foreclosed properties that's paralyzed parts of Stockton, Fresno, etc.

Nearly every major intersection and freeway on-ramp has people with cardboard signs asking for change, though. The regulars are still there, and now they're competing with new folks.

It takes money to move somewhere new. For people who are utterly destitute, sometimes leaving town isn't a choice.

PS. Honobob, how do you define "crash?" I am thinking that maybe that word does not mean what I think it means....
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Old 01-24-2009, 01:28 AM   #42
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Around here, foreclosures are showing up and bank-owned properties are sitting on the market, but we haven't had the horrific glut of foreclosed properties that's paralyzed parts of Stockton, Fresno, etc.

Nearly every major intersection and freeway on-ramp has people with cardboard signs asking for change, though. The regulars are still there, and now they're competing with new folks.

It takes money to move somewhere new. For people who are utterly destitute, sometimes leaving town isn't a choice.

PS. Honobob, how do you define "crash?" I am thinking that maybe that word does not mean what I think it means....
Don't mind Hono, he's just looking to start a fight. As always.
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Damn! I hate being a sucker for chain-yanking! Maybe someday I, too, will be cool enough to filter it out.
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While your slumber is interspersed with the sounds of the squabbling families, the crying kids, the drunks with their breaking beer bottles & loud music in the parking lot, the barking guard dogs, the guy scavenging all the garbage cans for redeemable beverage containers, and the iceheads trashing the restrooms for scrap metal or fighting over the last hit. People use other parts of the beach for their bathroom needs because there's no way they're going into those restrooms. Until the night rains & tradewinds rip your shelter off its pegs into the shorebreak.

Unless, of course, you're in Disneyland Waikiki or Ala Moana. Then the beach is cleaned & raked each midwatch until not even a cigarette butt is left, and it's very very hard to find a homeless person sheltering themself in the area. But that's brought to you by local merchant's associations and the Hawaii Visitors & Conventions Bureau, which leaves the government homeless shelters responsible for the "real" Hawaii in Nanakuli, Waianae, Waialua, & Mokuleia...
Wow - - I guess things have gotten pretty bad in the past 35 years. Back in the early 1970's, I camped at Nanakuli with a dozen friends each weekend all summer (one friend was one of my students at the U. of H., and he was also a dive instructor so he was teaching us science geeks to dive, plus a few Navy guys including my then-boyfriend, now-ex). We had a campsite reserved there. Most of the time the beach was nearly deserted. We spearfished and cooked our catch over a camp stove. We had none of the problems you listed at that time. The restrooms were no worse than any public restroom, and not far away. That part of the beach was completely clean and we made several beach walks each day looking for any trash (but didn't find much). The other campers further down the beach were all locals and they took pride in keeping the beach clean as well. I probably never slept so well and waking up at dawn just a few feet from the water, when everyone else was asleep, was spectacular.

Growing up in the islands I have also slept at a number of other beaches on Oahu back "in the day", though not in the city. I even slept on Kailua Beach, where my family's waterfront home was. Why, when I could have slept in our yard right there on the beach? I dunno. I guess because I was a teenager. Security walked up and down that beach all night, so you can't sleep out in the open there.
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Wow - - I guess things have gotten pretty bad in the past 35 years.
Hawaii has been our vacation destination of choice since the early 70's and we have visited there at least once a year. From an "outsider's" encounter with the conditions of the homeless in Hawaii, I can assure it is even worse then Nords describes (or could).

A couple of years ago we spent a week at the Makaha Resort & Golf Club in Waianae. (Much less impressive than it sounds, BTW... but still a nice property.) We traveled the Farrington Hwy every morning and evening. It didn't take long to realize that these people (and it is shoulder to shoulder along that whole coast) are not there because they want to be. They are simply trying to make the best of a bad situation -- many, for instance, have potted plants around their "space." But you can imagine what happens when you pack that many people together who have little if any hope for a brighter future -- not as bad as refugee camps in third world countries but close. Each day is a separate incidence with no real connection to an uncertain tomorrow or to that "don't-want-to-think-about-it" yesterday.

In any event, there are no simple solutions. And it is becoming less and less unique to Hawaii so everyone should "listen up."
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Nevertheless, there are numerous suggestions. The NIMBY coaliton should welcome this one:

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My son works for the State of California. Mandatory 10% pay cut. He's young, no family, no debt. He's not complaining. He worries about the families with credit card debt, car payments, mortgages, kids in college.

No doubt some of them are going to have to start eating 34% to 49% default rates on their credit cards after a few late payments.

Late fees, over limit fees, miss a house payment. It's only a matter of time.
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Ironic to me to have a large group that is homelesss while simultaneously having a large group being foreclosed.....someone should introduce these groups to each other.
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WE've done it up in the frozen north )or at least thought about it): earlier stance on welfare he had taken, which was to offer destitute people: Online Encyclopedia and Dictionary - Ralph Klein

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Tough times in San Francisco? or just for greedy buyers? According to “The San Francisco Business Times” of 1/16/09, a large residential landlord “has deeded 51 of its apartment buildings back to lender UBS.” He “filed...“deed[s] in lieu of foreclosure[s].”

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In any event, there are no simple solutions. And it is becoming less and less unique to Hawaii so everyone should "listen up."
If all you want is a "simple" solution, Soylent Green is people . However, I do not think this solution would be palatable to the American public.
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If all you want is a "simple" solution, Soylent Green is people . However, I do not think this solution would be palatable to the American public.

Tastes like chicken, I hear.
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You know, I have to say I think things have stabilized here in North San Diego county. There has not been any new foreclosures, and those that have are about 1/3 sold, 1/3 rented out, and 1/3 empty but with gardener and real estate sign out front so they don't look like a crack house anymore. Since prices are almost down to when we bought in 2001, I think the houses are deals again. One renter a few houses down is actually looking to buy the house now and is in negotiations.
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We sold our home in San Francisco last year. It was in a choice area, Noe Valley. It tool us 4 months to sell, however, our realtor was too optimistic and our initial price was too high.

We have been looking in Marin and I pulse the San Francisco market. There is little inventory. Folks who don't have to sell are waiting it out. Perhaps that will change as spring approaches. Recently I saw data indicating that the 4 major Marin realtors have have fewer than 1 listing per agent.
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Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Look for CA judge's decision on furloughs for CA state workers to try to get a handle on the $42 billion deficit for CA.

on the East coast, NYC is cutting back on public school teacher numbers.

In NY at least, The Age of Entitlement may finally come to a close. Hallelujah!
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We sold our home in San Francisco last year. It was in a choice area, Noe Valley. It tool us 4 months to sell, however, our realtor was too optimistic and our initial price was too high.

We have been looking in Marin and I pulse the San Francisco market. There is little inventory.
Out of curiosity, why did you sell? Only because you're now looking to buy again. Noe Valley is a great area in SF. My best friend owns a house there but now moved to the Central Valley and won't sell the house. She's renting it to a friend now.
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Out of curiosity, why did you sell? Only because you're now looking to buy again. Noe Valley is a great area in SF. My best friend owns a house there but now moved to the Central Valley and won't sell the house. She's renting it to a friend now.
We sold for a combination of reasons:
  • asset diversification, i.e., convert home equity to more liquid assets
  • I retired in March -- I am no longer commuting south and we have wanted to move north (Marin)
  • escape the fog and enjoy my first summer in 33 years -- Larkspur was glorious in the summer
  • we no longer found Noe Valley to be a great area and were glad to find a buyer who disagreed with us
We are now renting and have given up on looking in Marin. We don't want to reinvest most of gain. We will likely be relocating to Asheville, NC.
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Prubin - thanks for sharing. Best wishes on the house hunting/move in the future!
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