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Old 07-06-2008, 08:26 PM   #121
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someone told me it was Avalon, never checked myself. the headlights look the same as Camry and a lot of other parts are probably identical except for the Lexus label and cost

if you look at car based SUV's, most look like station wagons with big wheels
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if you look at car based SUV's, most look like station wagons with big wheels
I agree. I'm not much of a "crossover" vehicle fan either. They all look like station wagons to me...only slightly more interesting than minivans. (No offense to any crossover or minivan drivers!!!)
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If you were buying a car today, what would you buy? And Why?
That was the original post. Since then we have been all the way from the Honda Fit and Toyota Prius to the Cadillac Escalade and almost everything in between. We are almost as varied in our automobile interests as in our opinions on the economy.
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I'm very excited at one benefit of high gas prices - the more rapid demise of many large SUVs on the road! I don't like to drive them, don't like a ride like a truck, and I can't see in front of them when they're all over the road.
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I agree. I'm not much of a "crossover" vehicle fan either. They all look like station wagons to me...only slightly more interesting than minivans. (No offense to any crossover or minivan drivers!!!)
Heh, I am happy to see crossovers on the road, but what I'd really like to see are station wagons.
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The research shows that car quality is not determined by who "builds" the car, but rather who "designs" it. I agree on the 3-4 years comment, although I don't follow it (cars are a hobby of mine).

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Escalade? Glad everyone's pitching in to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and reduce carbon emissions...
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Surprised me too. Even if I wanted one and could afford to feed it, I wouldn't buy one with the outlook for resale...
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I agree. I'm not much of a "crossover" vehicle fan either. They all look like station wagons to me...only slightly more interesting than minivans. (No offense to any crossover or minivan drivers!!!)
That's okay. Neither I nor my 33 MPG Toyota Matrix take offense.
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The research shows that car quality is not determined by who "builds" the car, but rather who "designs" it. I agree on the 3-4 years comment, although I don't follow it (cars are a hobby of mine).

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SO, your premise is that the Big Three have the "dumbest designers" on Earth?
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Heh, I am happy to see crossovers on the road, but what I'd really like to see are station wagons.
I'm with you. I'd buy an ordinary Altima or Accord station wagon in a heartbeat.

What frustrates me is that nobody offers an "on-road" suspension option for a crossover. I own a Murano. I'd be much happier with it if the factory offered a suspension that drops the ground clearance to about 5.5 inches, and uses the lower center of gravity to improve the ride/handling. It would still look a little strange, but it would handle like a station wagon.
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I'm with you. I'd buy an ordinary Altima or Accord station wagon in a heartbeat.
I am so hoping that Honda brings the Accord wagon back.........

How about an Accord wagon hybrid??
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hat frustrates me is that nobody offers an "on-road" suspension option for a crossover. I own a Murano. I'd be much happier with it if the factory offered a suspension that drops the ground clearance to about 5.5 inches, and uses the lower center of gravity to improve the ride/handling. It would still look a little strange, but it would handle like a station wagon.
Oh, they do: its called a Subaru.
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You forgot the "and, yes, it does look a little strange" line. C'mon people, you gotta swing at those easy pitches.
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You forgot the "and, yes, it does look a little strange" line. C'mon people, you gotta swing at those easy pitches.
I don't like AWD, or there would be a Subie in my driveway today.......
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That's okay. Neither I nor my 33 MPG Toyota Matrix take offense.
you must drive all highway and no cargo, in NYC my Matrix averages around 25 mpg. only time i had it average 33 was on I-95 going opposite of traffic.
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SO, your premise is that the Big Three have the "dumbest designers" on Earth?
they design for the between the rockies and appalachians crowd who don't live close to a college campus
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