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Old 01-14-2008, 03:13 PM   #21
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My mother's purpose in life was to raise her children and be a good wife, but after her children were gone and my father passed away... she lived another 25+ years ....spent her time socializing with others in her facility, napping, reading, and relaxing. She would occasionally go to exercise class or little concerts or functions that they had in her facility, or played cards with other members, but I would hardly call these a purpose in life. She just had FUN!
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I would say that having fun WAS her purpose: enjoy each day doing what she wanted when she wanted. Purpose doesn't need to create a product like well-reared children.
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Perhaps the WSJ is part of the Matrix? (Work, NEO, Work...)
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:07 PM   #23
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I would say that having fun WAS her purpose: enjoy each day doing what she wanted when she wanted. Purpose doesn't need to create a product like well-reared children.
Hoorah!! Then I believe I have finally found my purpose in life: like my mother, my true purpose in life is to spend my remaining years having FUN, FUN, FUN!! I think she deserved it after working hard most of her life, and I think I do too.

I have been trying to have fun when possible even while I am slaving away day after day for a living. When I ER, I will be closer to attaining my true purpose in life!

Somehow this post reminds me of Goonie's happy reports of what his first year of ER has been like.
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:27 PM   #24
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One of my pet peeves! This unexamined assumption that an individual can only find intellectual stimulation from work!

Do these people think we humans are so innately lazy that we only exercise our brains when required to in order to earn a living?

Oh well, it's just part of the "work forever" propaganda/mentality/brainwash.

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Substitute "learning" for work and "school" for earn a living, and this is the same stuff we homeschoolers hear all the time. Hard to believe that kids actually LOVE to learn and will eagerly learn without any prompting. For some strange reason, people think that to be learning and productive you must be corralled with others who hate being there too. What is true is that corralled, distracted and numb people are easier to control and keep subdued and led with blinkers on into the consumer driven corporatocracy in which we live . School and work are what most people believe that you have to do in life. I'm so glad we are free, all 4 of us finally. Well, except for the corporatocracy thing, and we exercise our freedom in that as much as possible through simple living.
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Substitute "learning" for work and "school" for earn a living, and this is the same stuff we homeschoolers hear all the time. Hard to believe that kids actually LOVE to learn and will eagerly learn without any prompting. For some strange reason, people think that to be learning and productive you must be corralled with others who hate being there too. What is true is that corralled, distracted and numb people are easier to control and keep subdued and led with blinkers on into the consumer driven corporatocracy in which we live . School and work are what most people believe that you have to do in life. I'm so glad we are free, all 4 of us finally. Well, except for the corporatocracy thing, and we exercise our freedom in that as much as possible through simple living.
A fascinating observation!

Even as an adult, I still enjoy learning and have all my adult life - learning simply for its own sake and not necessarily as some means to a goal (although there often is one). I have plenty of time to do spend learning (about things I personally care about) now that I am retired!

I guess that's why I still get so dumbfounded whenever I run across statements/attitudes that assume "brain stimulation" is not something that occurs naturally as part of enjoyable leisure activities.

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You know, maybe this is all bigger.

Maybe there is some kind of inherent human prejudice that an individual must be dependent upon human organizations for what they need in terms of social interaction, purpose, fulfillment, being entertained, mental stimulation, challenge, etc.

There is societal propaganda that implies that an individual cannot truly stand on their own and be "fulfilled". That they need someone else, some "higher authority" to tell them what to do, give them purpose, show them the way, approve their behavior, sanction their choices, etc, etc.

Human organizations attempt to exert this kind of pressure all the time to control people. This is something most of us grow out of as we become adults and seek to follow our own path (assuming the culture we grow up in allows it). I suppose we have to think of societal pressures and prejudices as part of why human organizations exist. They definitely have their place - a group cooperating survives much more effectively than an individual functioning alone. So it seems to be a natural byproduct of human evolution.

Still....... somehow actually believing the propaganda seems so soul destroying.....

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I sew quilts and I read the typical hobby magazines for quilters. A few years ago, one ran an article on how to be more creative. One suggestion was to try using fabrics differently, for instance, by incorporating the backs of fabrics instead of the fronts into quilt designs.

The suggestion was a little out there--it isn't called the "wrong side" for nothing, in my opinion. But sure enough, the next time I went to a big quilting seminar probably half of the attendees had dutifully incorporated upside-down fabric into their designs, and the presenters were earnestly encouraging everyone to try expanding their horizons by trying this new technique.

Being told how to be creative isn't for me, but it worked for other people so I won't put it down. Being told how to find meaning and purpose in life strikes me the same way.
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When I reach ER, I intend to have fun as well. If I find that I have a purpose in life, then so be it, but I do not plan to push the envelope looking for one.
w2r, I agree wholeheartedly. Although I could honestly say that my purpose in life is to have fun, enjoy myself, my family and friends, and relax. ... and anything else I want to do.

For the 1st 20 so years in life, my purpose (although sometimes I did not think so), was to get educated and learn how to get through life. The next 20 or so years was to earn a living so I could adequately raise my famly and save for our future. Now that I am at retirement I think I have the right to do what I want to do... not what others dictate... but I've always been a contrarian of sorts (as are most forum members, I believe).

Selfish? d*nm right... and IMO have earned it.
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Wow, you guys have really gone overboard with unwarranted criticism. I saw nothing in the article that stated one should not retire and keep working forever. Did I blow the link?
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OK, I'll just put out the OPPOSITE of what was in the article. You should see how ludricous what I write is:

Making Plans: Don't make any plans to retire. You don't have to worry about whether you will have enough money at all. Just do it.

Finding Purpose: Just retire. You don't need to have a purpose. You can lay in bed all day while watching TV and surfing the internet with your laptop. You won't ever get bored. It's awesome!

Staying Sharp: Any intellectual stimulation is to be avoided. Even reading this post is too much stimulation for you, so you might as well stop here.

Keeping Company: You don't need any camaraderie. You can be a hermit and/or misanthrope. Don't look that word up, it's too much intellectual stimulation and could blow your blissful retirement.

Talking It Through: No need to discuss retirement with your spouse. You want to keep them clueless.

Staying Healthy: What's the point? You are laying in bed watching TV, stuffing your face with junk food like Cheet-ohs (puffed beaver cheese?), maybe drinking beer until you fall asleep. You don't need to be healthy. You ain't gonna be talking to your spouse or interacting with anybody else anyways.
hey LOL, it's almost like you're defending yourself from a personal attack. I think that your examples, although on point, are the extremes, as are some of the authors points. It suggests that we (the readers) are stupid sloths that don't know how to think. IMO, each of us has flaws and blindspots that probably are 'highlighted' in the article. But in general, most people, and especially those of us that participate on this forum, don't fall into the authors characterizations. Hence the 'objections'.
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You know, maybe this is all bigger.

Maybe there is some kind of inherent human prejudice that an individual must be dependent upon human organizations for what they need in terms of social interaction, purpose, fulfillment, being entertained, mental stimulation, challenge, etc.

There is societal propaganda that implies that an individual cannot truly stand on their own and be "fulfilled". That they need someone else, some "higher authority" to tell them what to do, give them purpose, show them the way, approve their behavior, sanction their choices, etc, etc.

Human organizations attempt to exert this kind of pressure all the time to control people. This is something most of us grow out of as we become adults and seek to follow our own path (assuming the culture we grow up in allows it). I suppose we have to think of societal pressures and prejudices as part of why human organizations exist. They definitely have their place - a group cooperating survives much more effectively than an individual functioning alone. So it seems to be a natural byproduct of human evolution.

Still....... somehow actually believing the propaganda seems so soul destroying.....

Audrey
You may be on to something here Audrey.
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w2r, I agree wholeheartedly. Although I could honestly say that my purpose in life is to have fun, enjoy myself, my family and friends, and relax. ... and anything else I want to do.

.....Now that I am at retirement I think I have the right to do what I want to do... not what others dictate... but I've always been a contrarian of sorts (as are most forum members, I believe).

Selfish? d*nm right... and IMO have earned it.
Nicely stated! I think my purpose in life, is to have no purpose in life, and to drift aimlessly wherever the winds, waves, and whims may take me! Ain't life grand?!
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Nicely stated! I think my purpose in life, is to have no purpose in life, and to drift aimlessly wherever the winds, waves, and whims may take me! Ain't life grand?!
Hear, hear!! I couldn't agree more, with both of you.
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! I think my purpose in life, is to have no purpose in life, and to drift aimlessly wherever the winds, waves, and whims may take me! Ain't life grand?!
[GLOUT ON] YES IT IS Goonie. YES IT IS. [GLOUT OFF]
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