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Old 08-26-2005, 07:21 PM   #41
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Really? Lipitor is an aphrodesiac?! I think that's one of the prescriptions my grandmother has...does that mean I need to go raid her medicine cabinet?
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Re: is there such a thing as OVER FRUGAL
Old 08-26-2005, 07:28 PM   #42
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Andre, it has that affect on 20-22 year old women only. So I'm stealing all I can find.

Good luck on the raid! My granny could shoot an AK-47 pretty well so you are taking that risk. Can't use that thing if you ain't got that thing, doowapp doowapp
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Old 08-29-2005, 03:06 PM   #43
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More ramblings on the European lifestyle thread:

the USA is HUGE compared to Europe - the distances between cites, towns, geographical areas make it difficult to compare. Germany is about the size of Ohio and Indiana---

While I lived there, one could walk between villages---the standard distance between villages was between 3- 10km - easily walkable. Out here in the western USA, the standard distance between the cities is 350m (~600km). Not easily walkable. Plus, people generally in the USA (especially in the west) weight individualism more than community leacity and town designs which might be more privacy oriented.

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Old 08-29-2005, 03:40 PM   #44
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Maybe its time to start a new thread about Europe/US public spaces, transportation and safety.
I grew up in Chicago, went to high school downtown (State St & Chicago Ave) and knew all the places to hang out downtown, lakefront & Old Town 35+ years ago. There was an interesting underground in Chicago including subways, train stations and Wacker Dr. Interesting space.
Now I'm in Southern California. The most public spaces are commercial either the better malls or places like Pasadena Old Town. This is a commercial district with plenty of restaurants (99 in a 6 sq block area!) movies and things to do. Police keep it safe and also keep cars from cruising. And there is now public transportation in Southrn Cal. The Metro works! Last year took the metro all the way from Pasadena to LAX to fly back to Chicago. Took over two hours but it cost only$1.65, was safe and car free. There are now shops and housing (and shops with housing over them!) being built along the Metro.
I also lived in London for over 3 years and loved it. I think we need to reclaim the downtown areas for public space. More housing, shops and public transporation. I thought it is interesting that the slums in Paris are in the surburbs not the central city. Maybe we are in a similar shift?
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These days, State and Chigago has a McDonalds and a historic red brick listed building with a babershop on the north side. On the south corners, a parking lot and a bank. Catholic school just behind it.

There are public squares but only Water Tower has benches. The parks have places to sit but I walk State, Wabash, Michigan, Rush, Dearborn, Clark, LaSalle and Wells nearly every day. I rarely see any free spots to sit, it's all buy a meal to sit.

Olive Park on the lake has a few benches.

I take my fold out nylon mesh chair and go sit down below the Tribune building on the riverfront. Very nice.

All in all, I love Chicago. It would be great to have little squares with somewhere to sit and just watch the city life.
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I am going to be visiting Chicago for a week soon. What should I make sure I see while I am there?

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I am going to be visiting Chicago for a week soon. What should I make sure I see while I am there?

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Art Institute, Museum of Science and Industry, Cubs game. What kind of stuff are you interested in?
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Old 08-29-2005, 05:36 PM   #48
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Momtwo,
If you stay a week, you'll most likely not want to leave.

Here are some nice do's:
1. Cruise the lake on one of the tour boats from Navy Pier. Some fast, some open, some big but all give a great view of the city.
2. Catch at least one show in the theater district (State, Madison, Dearborn, etc) casual dress and great fun. Chicago Theatre (State St.)has lots of music performances.
3. A visit to Giordano's Pizza (Rush & Superior). *A 12" pizza is enough for 2 or 3 people.
4. Grant Park has concerts nearly every night. Great amphitheater. Seats/grass.
5. Go to either Sears Tower or John Hancock viewing floors for a great hi-rise view of the city.
6. Wednesday and Saturday at about 9:15PM the Navy Pier has great fireworks show.
7. Night features (eats and drinks) are great up on N. Rush at Walton or Delaware.
8. Find one of these joints to eat lunch. On Rush (J's Dawgs, Downtown Dog or Johnnies), on Clark (Dawg's and Burgers), on Ontario (Hot Diggity Dogs). Lots of these old style dives. *Great dogs.
9. Go to Oak St. beach for swimming.
10. Be assured that all public transportation in Chicago is cheap and safe. *Always put $2 into the ticket machines, it gives you a return within 2 hours.

And as Saluki says: A Cubs game! It will be a great memory.

I love this town. *DISCLAIMER: I only moved here in March.
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I love Chicago myself and would live there if not for the months of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb and March!

My favorite thing to do is any of the Architectural tours. Last time we did a a bus tour of the University of Chicago area and south downtown including the Frank Lloyd Wright Robie house. The architecture boat tour is great also (just watch out for the Dave Matthews band tour bus).

Read "Devil in the White City" for a great historical remaking of the Chicago Fair and a nasty mass murderer at work during the period. Great book!!!
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And as Saluki says:* A Cubs game!* It will be a great memory.
On the other hand, if you like baseball, you'll need to go to 35th and Veeck drive.
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A visit to Giordano's Pizza (Rush & Superior).
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On the other hand, if you like baseball, you'll need to go to 35th and Veeck drive.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:15 AM   #52
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See the lobby of the Marquette building (east side of Dearborn south of Monroe).

The Art Institute.

Ribs at Twin Anchors (Wells and Eugenie, just north of North, two blocks north of the Sedgwick station on the Brown El).

It sounds like you'll be too late for the air show over the beach at the south end of Lincoln Park. If not, you should see what your tax dollars pay for.
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yeah, too late is right, the airshow was two weekends ago. Great show. I watched it on Sat at Oak St. Beach and on Sunday from my 50th floor windows.
Awesome hardware, I was wondering what the foreign toursits were thinking when some of the F15s came screaming by. What a deafening roar.

I'll have to try Twin Anchors myself (might just head up there for lunch today). Man, this retirement thing is starting to feel real good.

I got off the beaten path yesterday and ended up a Cabrini Green at noon. What a mess. Man I never walked so fast in my life.
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Thanks to everyone for all their ideas. I have made a nice list!

Saluki9: A friend there tried to get tickets for a Cubs game. They were sold out. I am hoping that there is a way to see historical Wrigley Field anyhow. I will definitely put Art Institute and the Museum on my list. I love doing those!

OldAgePensioner: We are going on one of the tour boats from the Navy Pier. I can't wait! I hear the Navy Pier is quite a site to see! I am thrilled with your list and will try to do most of them!

kayelem: I love Frank Lloyd Wright architecture. Thanks for the info on the house.

nfs: Thanks for your ideas! I have added them to my list!

I have a feeling I should have booked my trip for 2 weeks. Chicago sounds fanatastic! Thanks everyone!

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Saluki9: A friend there tried to get tickets for a Cubs game. They were sold out. I am hoping that there is a way to see historical Wrigley Field anyhow.
Have you looked at stubhub?

http://www.stubhub.com/chicago-cubs-tickets/
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Anyone trying to get Cub's tix should get up early and go to the standing room only line.* Yeah you have to stand but $7 and easy to get.*

Or wait for the game to start and then hit up the street "vendors"
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Momtwo,
I really hope you have a great time here. Lots to see, lots to do, but mainly lots of very nice people. Cubs, Bears, Sox, Bulls, theater district, art, museums, best aquarium anywhere, awesome skyline, great viewing decks, river tours, lake tours, and the shopping and eating are best of all.

If you give me some headsup on when you're group is arriving and how many in your party, I can really get you some good info on what's up during that period.

If you're are bring some 5-10 year old young ladies, American Girl Place is on Chicago Ave just off Michigan Ave. and from the near ant-like trails of parents, kids, it must be young lady heaven. The atmosphere is electric. Wish I had bought stock.

It's a great American city. I've lived in Los Angeles, New York, London, Melbourne, FL, Australia and elsewhere. Chicago is every bit the equal. I hope you enjoy it.

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Red Sox fans were such cry babies until they won the Series..You don't hear Sox or Cub fans chattering(well not much) about how long they've waited for a WS win let alone an appearance...I don't bother thinking about it... much...believe it when I see it...

...a former Southside boy whose hopes and dreams were shattered in 59...who would sometimes go to Cubs games when good seats were easy to get- and not so crowded with Nor' siders and tourists-some who don't know as much as what league the Cubs are in...

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Great city, just got back from Chicago with my 9 year old daughters. To add to some previous posts... if you like Wright travel out to Oak Park, city of his home/studio with many early houses all within walking distance of one another (also there's some new Frank Gehry work at millenium park, we didn't make it there)...kids love the Shedd aquarium and the Field Museum (huge w/ dino's and seemingly every insect/animal under the sun) you can spend all day at either...Art Museums fantastic...the Science/Industry museum is another all-dayer, currenty showing bodyworlds (bodyworlds.com, no its not a porn site!), thru Sept. 5. Mindblowing exhibit of donated bodies that have been "plasticized", then cut away and posed. My kids handled it fine, called it creepy then became fascinated. At one point said they were getting hungry and I didn't know to laugh or throw up...
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anon_city,
Yeah, Shedd, Field and Sci/Ind are great places for kids. Reminds me of a story that still makes me crack up.

Nat. Hist. Mus. in London, the dino section has a raised ramp to get you level with the beasts. I'm walking along and at the next u-turn there is a commotion of grand proportion. I arrive to see a 4 yo with her index finger pointing and she's giving out instructions with great verve.

Seems the exhibit is a mom dino with two babies and a big 8-10' male is growling and threatening them. This little girl is screaming "You leave them alone" and she darn well means it. Well, just as I arrive, she decides to climb under the rail and kick some male dino butt. Her mom is struggling to hold her back and dad is standing back looking at me like he going to burst out laughing. Mom was left to explain the situation.

A truly funny moment, but somewhere in Britian is a now 5 yo gal with lots of moxy.

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