Westernskies
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guess I'm still a child, huh? <grin>
I recall in another thread you said you were still frisky...
guess I'm still a child, huh? <grin>
and I was about to comment that some of these posts must be causing some of our friends on this forum to lose their lunch And it's still breakfast time.
Since it elicits such extreme responses, this is encouraging me to actually read the thing. Maybe I'll bring a wheeled-dolly to the library, my elbow has been killing me, tendon-itis or something. That's a BIG book.
-ERD50
I used to have a dorm mate (in college) who was a rabid Ayn Rand fan. He took things rather far, stating that he would prefer to see his own mother, etc., die of starvation and exposure before she received a penny of support from any source, especially including himself. With that level of self-righteous selfishness, he didn't remain a friend for long.
I'm no objectivist and have only read a few of Rand's works, but I think the response of an objectivist would be that the mother should have no right to demand support or money from her son, but the son has the freedom to choose to spend his money in any manner he sees fit, including donating to charity or to his own mother. The main point of "Atlas Shrugged" is that we should all be free to chose to do what we want to do with our own resources and not be forced to relinquish our funds for the support of others.
THANK YOU, FUEGO! Now I won't have to try a third time to read "Atlas Shrugged". Your take is about what I thought the book was trying to say. I also struggled with "Moby Dick" and most of the other "great literature and required reading" in high school and college lit. Just never could get into fiction for some reason. Love movies, plays, even TV - all fiction (even when it's not, heh, heh). But reading a "story" and not trying to learn a "skill" always seemed a waste of time. I'm sure many would say reading AS would be learning a skill, but then I'll take the Cliff Notes version, thank you very much.
Just one underachiever's view point.
I would suggest even if one leans to the left in their politics, it can still serve to give some insight into how the right-leaning mind works.
THANK YOU, FUEGO! Now I won't have to try a third time to read "Atlas Shrugged". Your take is about what I thought the book was trying to say. I also struggled with "Moby Dick"...
Same for me. I'm getting a pretty good sense of the book from past posts and now these, and it does sound like it could hold my interest.
Must be a lot of like-minded individuals, I just got back from some errands, so stopped at the library while I was out and every single item associated Ayn Rand was checked out. And they had more than a few items.
Hmmm, wonder if there is a trend, or correlation with recent events? Two years ago when I looked for it, there it was, sitting on the shelf (taking up the space of five average-sized books!).
Guess I'll put a hold on it.
-ERD50
People will take advantage of any opportunity to get more for themselves. They don't really think about the consequences for other people.
I think you are right. If only we could harness this. If only there were a system in which each person, in pursuing their own self interests, helped everyone else . . . I'll bet that would be a winner.
People will take advantage of any opportunity to get more for themselves. They don't really think about the consequences for other people.
A world economy almost destroyed by some guys who wanted their freedom to gamble with credit default swaps and other creative financial instruments.
Living in a country of opportunity for a redneck-river-rat young woman. But mainly to the airplane, my deliverance.
People don't appreciate the other side of the 60s-70s. Television liberated an entire generation out of their local status quo and into a world they wanted to explore. There were local universities like Portland State University where one could afford tuition, live cheaply in the neighborhood, and find a job that would pay for both tuition and living expenses (almost). Faculty would chose to nominate you for small scholarships if they thought well of you and knew your plight. The degree you earned easily got you into the major state university PhD programs where you were supported on teaching or research assistantships which didn't get you out of poverty but did provide survival.
It was really the first generation that could make it out of their origins. Perhaps it was the only time that young people could find the support system in the society that enabled them to leap so far. The many men who survived Vietnam had a good GI bill and VA loan program. My husband, who grew up even poorer than myself, had both.
The tone was different when I was growing up. Schools, even in small towns, were good (the upper class kids also attended them). Parents without high school diplomas believed in education, college and breaking the cycle.
The point is that I was born smart; I don't take much claim for that advantage. Other than making some use of that birth-quality, I met enablers all along. They were just more subtle than those we think of today.
Funny, the opportunities you're attributing to the 60's-70's (when I went to college). I don't disagree, but my father always attributed the GI bill after WWII to lift him from his orphan-no-family status. Before joining the Navy he was penniless, living in an orphanage and working summers as a farm hand. But after his service in the Navy he was able to make it through a good state university (GI bill tuition and stipend, enough for room and board for him and wife), to begin his very successful career as an engineer. What helps the GDP more, a bored farm hand or a brilliant engineer? In fact, I think a lot of people attribute our tremendous boom in the post-WWII era to the fact that most veterans could go to college. He was then able to help his kids pay for college so we could emerge debt-free, only needing to work part-time on our way through.
Damn that government interference - I missed out on the pastoral life!
According to this article The Washington Independent » Battling Obama by ‘Going Galt’ sales of Atlas Shrugged have tripled since the presidential election. I knew I should have invested in it!