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Old 05-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #21
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Update. Over the weekend, there was an ad in the paper for my boss's job. No one mentioned it to me before hand. Do you think this is an indication of where I stand?

For comparison, all lower level jobs are advertised. Higher level positions have been promoted from within, advertised or had a preselected person fill it. So, this leaves me in a quandary. At minimum, I feel I deserved the courtesy of being informed of what was being done. I'm sure it I bring it up, they'll have some lame excuse.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:03 PM   #22
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Answer the Ad in the paper and you'll find out quick.
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Probably. But while I can understand your feelings of being slighted, post #11 in this thread may make you feel better.
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Update. Over the weekend, there was an ad in the paper for my boss's job. No one mentioned it to me before hand. Do you think this is an indication of where I stand?
I had something similar happen, only it was my current job being advertised in the WSJ. It was a bit disconcerting until I confronted my boss about it and learned they were looking for a replacement so I could be promoted. Would've saved me a bunch of grief had they told me in advance.

I agree with 73, answer the ad.
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Update. Over the weekend, there was an ad in the paper for my boss's job. No one mentioned it to me before hand. Do you think this is an indication of where I stand?
It sounded like you didn't want it so why do you care? You know that there is enough going on to precipitate two levels of your management to leave suddenly. I'd be more interested in having conversations with them (individually) congratulating them on their retirement and finding out what the hell it means. They could both be coincidences but I doubt it.
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I had something similar happen, only it was my current job being advertised in the WSJ. It was a bit disconcerting until I confronted my boss about it and learned they were looking for a replacement so I could be promoted. Would've saved me a bunch of grief had they told me in advance. ....
Ouch!!! Did they apologize?
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Ouch!!! Did they apologize?
Not really. I suppose they thought telling me I was being promoted offset any concerns I had, but it certainly left a lasting memory...
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Answer the Ad in the paper and you'll find out quick.
I'm contemplating it.
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It sounded like you didn't want it so why do you care? You know that there is enough going on to precipitate two levels of your management to leave suddenly. I'd be more interested in having conversations with them (individually) congratulating them on their retirement and finding out what the hell it means. They could both be coincidences but I doubt it.
True, but given enough pay, I'd grind through it for a couple of years.

I have had conversations with both. Retirement would come up in about half of the meetings with both of them. My boss's boss was known to be retiring sometime this year. It was just a matter of him setting the date. My boss basically said she was burnt out and no longer enjoyed the work. I get the feeling she may have not wanted to deal with the new supervisor. So, nothing really sinister going on.
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Probably. But while I can understand your feelings of being slighted, post #11 in this thread may make you feel better.
It does. My wife was more upset about it than I was, mainly because she thought I'd be upset. And knowing we can survive my "retiring" 4-6 months earlier won't hurt us, makes me feel better too.
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True, but given enough pay, I'd grind through it for a couple of years.

Maybe you'll get lucky and not get the job, then you can retire and enjoy yourself. You know the old saying "don't wish for something, you may get it".
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Your earlier emails almost sounded like you didn't want the job, but what exactly have you told them about your interest or lack thereof re: the job? I have to assume it's come up in performance appraisals or similar discussions.
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Your earlier emails almost sounded like you didn't want the job, but what exactly have you told them about your interest or lack thereof re: the job? I have to assume it's come up in performance appraisals or similar discussions.
For what it entails, I'd prefer my boss to stay on for another year and then I'd help with the transition to a new one. I also want to avoid getting Attila the Hun for a boss, and being promoted would stop that.

Nothing has been discussed about career advancement for years. There is very little movement at top levels here. We're just seeing the start of the Baby Boomer retirement. They do know I'm planning on retiring in a couple of years, but no date has been mentioned.
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Maybe you'll get lucky and not get the job, then you can retire and enjoy yourself. You know the old saying "don't wish for something, you may get it".
Or I do get offered it, but refuse it because it doesn't pay enough. That could be either good or bad for my remaining years.
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I was in a similar postion two years ago. I did not apply for my bosses job as I knew that I would not get it and I was not willing to relocate.

The silver lining was that within six months the company, and my new boss decided to eliminate a level of management. I fell into a very nice golden handshake that allowed me to retire earlier than I had previously planned. I no longer enjoyed my job or MegaCorp.

So, stick around, keep your ear to the ground, and hope for some kind of goldern handshake or termination agreement.
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For what it entails, I'd prefer my boss to stay on for another year and then I'd help with the transition to a new one. I also want to avoid getting Attila the Hun for a boss, and being promoted would stop that.

Nothing has been discussed about career advancement for years. There is very little movement at top levels here. We're just seeing the start of the Baby Boomer retirement. They do know I'm planning on retiring in a couple of years, but no date has been mentioned.
If I was the person doing the hiring and I knew you would be gone in a couple of years I would be inclined to look elsewhere. I would not be surprised by the ad at all if I were you.
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Or I do get offered it, but refuse it because it doesn't pay enough. That could be either good or bad for my remaining years.
Since you can leave anytime you're in a powerful position... I'd go with the "How about I don't take that job, but you increase my pay to what it would be if I did... otherwise I'm out"

talk about the best of both worlds
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If I was the person doing the hiring and I knew you would be gone in a couple of years I would be inclined to look elsewhere. I would not be surprised by the ad at all if I were you.
If that was the plan (and it could well be), I'd have the courtesy to let any and all potential internal candidates know before looking outside and posting an ad regardless of any career discussions we may have had. And I've actually done exactly that several times. What's the downside of treating co-workers at any level with some decency and transparency?
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If I was the person doing the hiring and I knew you would be gone in a couple of years I would be inclined to look elsewhere. I would not be surprised by the ad at all if I were you.
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If that was the plan (and it could well be), I'd have the courtesy to let any and all potential internal candidates know before looking outside and posting an ad regardless of any career discussions we may have had. And I've actually done exactly that several times. What's the downside of treating co-workers at any level with some decency and transparency?
Thanks Midpack. That's exactly my feelings. While I really wasn't surprised about the ad, they would look better had they informed everyone what was happening, especially since they tout promotion from within.
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Thanks Midpack. That's exactly my feelings. While I really wasn't surprised about the ad, they would look better had they informed everyone what was happening, especially since they tout promotion from within.
Just because they are running an ad doesn't mean that they won't fill it internally. They may just want to see what is available from the outside. If a superstar shows up, they would go with them. If they aren't overwhelmed, you may still get a visit.

You didn't say anywhere that I saw about how old you are. If you are too close to "normal" retirement age, they may take a pass on you because they want someone that can "grow" with the organization. If you're 63 they are pretty sure that you won't still be around to go two or three levels above your boss' level. They won't put it that way but age discrimination is alive and well. From a corporate succession planning point, I can't say that it isn't all bad either.
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