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Old 07-06-2006, 11:11 AM   #161
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Old 07-06-2006, 11:27 AM   #162
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This has certainly taken a turn for the nurse, hasnt it?
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good job...works for me when I sell V1agra on the internet....
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beever cheeze!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And the ever popular bostonian beevah cheeaze.
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ROTFLMAO! Time to throw out another coffee soaked keyboard!

...beaver cheese?
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:07 PM   #168
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I just checked his performance earlier today - he's still up by ~4% versus the FSTMX Total Market Index (ignoring trading fees for Poyet's portfolio). Of course he's out of the market right now, so we'll see where this ends up.

Thanks Justin to follow. The system is up 7% while the index (NDX) is down 3% over the same period of time. The trading universe of the demonstration portfolio is based on tech stocks so you can compare to NDX or IXIC but nothing else. Of course, we could trade a different universe of stocks (e.g. commodities, etc) but that would be a different demonstration portfolio.

As you've noticed I've stopped posting on this subject as I had little constructive reactions. People stand with their beliefs and it hard to make them think beyond the boundaries they've erected.

The link for those who have lost it is http://cosmosportfolios.blogspot.com/

The method used is described @ http://tradingautomation.blogspot.com/

I've enough money to be relaxed and not to charge for the "service".
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Based on his blog, it looks like he started his model portfolio on December 9th 2005.* Between then and 7/5/2006 when I checked, he was up 7% and FSTMX was up 3%.* Does he have results dating from Dec. 2004 somewhere?*
From his blog:

It will soon be a year since this account started on the 20th of Dec. 2004
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Thanks Justin to follow. The system is up 7% while the index (NDX) is down 3% over the same period of time. The trading universe of the demonstration portfolio is based on tech stocks so you can compare to NDX or IXIC but nothing else. Of course, we could trade a different universe of stocks (e.g. commodities, etc) but that would be a different demonstration portfolio.
Welcome back, Poyet.* *It looks like the market wasn't kind to your reference portfolio this year.* * Do you plan to make any changes to your algorithms based on what you observed, or are you pretty happy with the way it worked?* * And, thanks for making the data available for scrutiny.
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Old 07-06-2006, 01:04 PM   #171
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Hi Wab,

The US tech market was kind of the worse the system could encounter given the trading style used over the period (starting Dec.2004). The system tries to take advantage of large trends be they up or down and to leverage while these trends set up. We had no trend and were whipsawed 3 times ! But we're still afloat, slightly positive.

During the same period the French reference portfolio (trading only French stocks) is up 86% as european markets were trendy (it's in fact a small real portfolio). The problem is that this market is not liquid enough for the method used to put at work large amounts of capital.

But overall, the system did what it was tought and was consistent with the rules enacted (and validated). Not saying it was the best one could do / have done on a tech stok trading universe, but it's a means to trade while controlling risk and sleeping at night.

As North pointed out the motivation is not money. I'll keep up until everybody will know on this planet that trading automation was a revolutionary means of addressing the market, and when everybody will be convinced and use such kind of methods they will cease working :-))

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Thanks Justin to follow. The system is up 7% while the index (NDX) is down 3% over the same period of time. The trading universe of the demonstration portfolio is based on tech stocks so you can compare to NDX or IXIC but nothing else. Of course, we could trade a different universe of stocks (e.g. commodities, etc) but that would be a different demonstration portfolio.
I guess from an analytical perspective, you have to compare your model portfolio to the tech index. I was comparing your model portfolio's performance to a broad based market index. The former comparison answers the question "can my system beat the benchmark tech index" while the latter comparison answers the question "can the system beat a broadly diversified index that I might actually dump all of my money into".

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I'm apparently screwing up by just buying a bunch of good equity funds that pay decent dividends, making tons of money and spending the checks they keep sending me.
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I'm apparently screwing up by just buying a bunch of good equity funds that pay decent dividends, making tons of money and spending the checks they keep sending me.
No, you're just failing to realize your money's full potential.

Kinda like ER'ing is failing to realize your full personal potential and rotting in greener pastures. You waste all your productive time mangling metaphors instead of masticating for money.

Back to work, both of you!
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Rats

Given Wall Street's perchant for feeding the ducks and the recent tax cut on divs. - perhaps I should learn to write in Norwegian and have a translated English version.

heh heh heh heh - infomercial and seminars to follow - perhaps tied in with a cruise line - I understand they do that sort of thing.
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Old 07-06-2006, 02:19 PM   #176
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Back to work, both of you!
I *am* about to go to work. I've been instructed to juggle the furniture amongst three different rooms in the house this afternoon. Really big, really heavy furniture and lots of it. I'm sure theres a purpose to it, but I'm not even thinking about asking.

This morning I was sitting at the table and glanced at one of my wifes "womens health" type magazines and accidentally read aloud one of the titles on the cover "four ways to a firmer butt" or some such. I immediately realized my mistake and lack of protective headgear when she inquired "Are you reading that because you think I need to try some of those out?".

Realizing I had less than 5 seconds to remain alive AND injury free, I replied that I was quite sure that she must have tried all four just before I met her, and was secretly still using them as she had the finest, firmest butt i had ever seen.

I will now very quietly and without further comment go move 4000lbs of furniture.
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This morning I was sitting at the table and glanced at one of my wifes "womens health" type magazines and accidentally read aloud one of the titles on the cover "four ways to a firmer butt" or some such.* I immediately realized my mistake and lack of protective headgear when she inquired "Are you reading that because you think I need to try some of those out?".
Your approach probably worked better than my "Honey, it's just not about you" tactic...
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you wish. your estimate if off by about 5 seconds.
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Cheesy snacks

Err someone should of reached for the beavver chease and said um
yummy
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Hmm ya dont say . You sure that was on this board ? Because I have been here atleast a week and I havent noticed that happening at all.

Why would they complain they have all the beavver cheesy snacks they can eat and tons of money coming in via checks @@
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Your approach probably worked better than my "Honey, it's just not about you" tactic...
I only tried that once in my life. Thats a non-starter, period.
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