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Old 01-28-2012, 07:44 PM   #21
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I used to have a gas chain saw. When it quit (the magneto coil opened up and I could not find a replacement), I bought an electric one. Also have hedge trimmer and electric pole saw. You mean there are home owners without these gardening tools?

Anyway, being a DIY'er, I have lots of tools. And with two houses, each with a garage, that means some of the tools have to be duplicated. Not everything, but some.

When faced with some repair work on the houses or the cars, instead of running to the phonebook (in the old days) to look for someone to call, I thought of what tools I would need to do it myself. So, I ended up with four ladders of different configurations, radial arm saw, table saw, circular saw, saber saw, wrenches of different contortions, air impact wrenches, two air compressors, pulley pullers, floor jacks, engine stand, etc... And I am not going to talk about the esoteric electronic equipment that I own for work as well as for play.

Even entertained the idea of having my own scaffolds, but then decided that my fear of height might not allow me to make full use of them. And I never, ever, thought of owning a tractor! Not even a riding lawnmower! See, I only get what I can use.
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:35 PM   #22
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'What really frosts me is the following "safety feature" dreamed up by the manufacturers - I use heavy-duty outdoor electric cable with 3-prong male and female ends, but the hedge trimmer and chain saw only have TWO prong plugs - the better to suddenly fall out, causing the machine to quit while you're using it. '

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usually quitting right as you make good progrees after suiting up to crawl into the bottom of an overgrown red cedar tree. Followed by words normally used only when working on the car.
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... but the hedge trimmer and chain saw only have TWO prong plugs - the better to suddenly fall out, causing the machine to quit while you're using it.
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You mean there are home owners without these gardening tools?
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usually quitting right as you make good progrees after suiting up to crawl into the bottom of an overgrown red cedar tree. Followed by words normally used only when working on the car.
Well, based on my experience with our tree-trimming reciprocating saw and my pole-mounted hedge trimmer: by the time gravity finishes with me and I finally hit the ground... I'm usually pretty happy that the power tool is no longer plugged in when it lands on me.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:41 AM   #24
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Or gotten to the "don't go beyond this point" rung of the extension ladder, which is leaning against the 20-foot columnar yew that is getting a haircut. You've got the picture

Nords - You've confirmed what I suspected.... the so-called "safety" features are actually for the manufacturers to be "safe" against lawsuits

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You could call us typical (still cut grass and shovel snow on my own), however we've planned to be "affluent" in the future as we age and don't have the ability to perform these "chores" anymore. We'll just pay to have somebody else do them.

Unlike many others, we have no plans to downsize or move just for the sake of moving. We like our home/lot size, our area, and yes we enjoy the change of seasons (e.g. we like warm - sometimes, and cold - sometimes).

Since we plan (at the current time) to age in place, we've plugged in the numbers to our retirement income plan to take care of future anticipated expenses. I guess that means we will become affluent because we have to! ...
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Right now we're typical, house with garage, shed for lawn maintenance stuff, small boat with outboard motor, three vehicles (3rd is a motorcycle). But we're slowly moving in the direction of housebound minimalists.

When we do move we don't want to have to move a lot of stuff too.
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Unlike Amethyst, I can hardly WAIT until the blessed day when we FIRE and have no lawn to worry about who does it. Right now he mows and I do the roses. We'll get rid of two cars, lawn mower, all but a small toolbox. Downsize from 2700 SF to 912SF. We are typical American who aspires to become minimalist. At least my half does--spouse I think is having a bit of trouble with the joy I get from selling/donating items.
So much of our stuff wasn't bought to be permanent, but to fill a temporary need, such as a couple of towels when were teaching at a summer camp and the towels were yucky, or forgot to take some item on a long trip. Or something bought as small token present for each other. That category is tricky.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:57 AM   #28
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We are typical American who aspires to become minimalist.
Are you sure (speak to my DW , who still travels the world) and has no desire (along with me) to reduce our current lifestyle?

We both w*rked (long and hard) to achieve our retirement goal. No reason to settle for less, IOHO (in our humble opinion).
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Except for the part about "can hardly wait till the blessed day until I FIRE." We DO have THAT in common!

I come from a family of stuff-lovers, and will always love stuff. I fully intend to figure out some way to take it with me. I would not be happy in Heaven without stuff.

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We got our lawnmower for free from a typical American neighbor who was upgrading... and he's still working for a paycheck.
Isn't it interesting that people with "stuff" consider minimalists to be poor?
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I don't consider any such of a thing. Going around judging whether other people are "poor" is not worth my time....as long as people can pay their own way, and don't expect me to foot their bills, they're fine by me...I just like stuff.

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I don't consider any such of a thing. Going around judging whether other people are "poor" is not worth my time....as long as people can pay their own way, and don't expect me to foot their bills, they're fine by me...I just like stuff.

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I did not mean to offend. People have mistaken my living below my means as my not having any money.
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I'm between "typical American Household" and "house-bound minimalist".

35 years young, in the wealth accumulation phase. 1,750 sq ft house/garage/car/riding lawn mower (1 acre)...but bought about 1/2 of my household furniture off Craigslist (the rest from lower-priced sales/stores), don't have 10 different $100 gadgets in the kitchen that are never used, and have a leaning-towards-minimalist amount of furnishings.

Don't ever see myself as an RVer, just because I like some space to stretch out, have friends/family over, and would like to eventually enjoy a garden.
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No offense taken! People can assume whatever they like...and they will! Unlike your situation, ET, I work around mostly LBYM types, so we all tend to assume each other has more money than it would appear.

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I come from a family of stuff-lovers, and will always love stuff. I fully intend to figure out some way to take it with me. I would not be happy in Heaven without stuff.

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Guess I would have to consider myself an "affluent minimalist." Affluent because we keep two dwellings which are 5000 miles apart. Minimalist, because each is furnished primarily with cast-offs, hand-me-downs, garage-sale finds and Goodwill pieces.

Between the two places we don't own a single lawn mower (or chain saw). All outside maintenance is performed by those hired to do so. We do own two cars - average age 12 years+.

Guess it just goes to show, most of us don't fit neatly into any niche.

I had to chuckle about this description of "homeless" people.


Homeless people don't own a backpack, because they don't have enough stuff to need one or have enough money to get one. They drink coffee that is free from one place or another.


The homeless that I see nearly every day have almost as much stuff as I do. True, it tends to fit into shopping carts and plastic bags, but on "moving day" (recent APEC summit here) the homeless could be seen trudging down the streets pushing one over-flowing cart and pulling another, while family members did the same - occasionally taking a break to drink Starbucks. I've forgotten the figures, but the city moved out quite a number of our homeless for APEC and the trash disposal costs were in the multiple 10s of thousands of dollars. That is how our homeless "downsize". They move occasionally (or get moved) and leave behind what they no longer wish to keep.

I absolutely agree that this is a miserable existence (at least, it would be for me) and I'm not poking fun at the homeless. Just suggesting that the lines drawn between the various groups can get blurred when it comes to the volume of their possessions. YMMV
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Probably closer to typical Americans than any other category. But with multiple dwellings, cars, truck, ATV,boat, lawn mowers, chain saws/ yard tools, etc we've got a lot of minimizing to do.
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Minimalist. Sold our too-big acreage property and downsized to a condo less than half the size. We have no yard, two pots and one frying pan, and one set of sheets. We drive rarely, sharing a single car.

We love having few possessions, but the things we do have are high quality. Our condo has a gorgeous view, we buy designer clothes at consignment shops, and we're picky about what comes into the house. Less stuff, more time, more freedom!

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Somewhere between "Extreme minimalist" and "Housebound minimalist." I seem to relocate every couple of years for work so I've always been a perpetual renter.
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Nords - You've confirmed what I suspected.... the so-called "safety" features are actually for the manufacturers to be "safe" against lawsuits
I used to climb to the top branches of our 30-foot mango with a reciprocating saw and a long extension cord.

Now I just climb up about 10 feet and start cutting. The trick is to avoid dropping a 400-pound branch on a (buried) PVC sprinkler line.

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I did not mean to offend. People have mistaken my living below my means as my not having any money.
I think that's exactly why we got the lawnmower... because he thinks we're livin' on the edge of poverty. He's never spent enough time with me to appreciate our lifestyle. His daughter was one of our daughter's best friends, though, and she gets it.

Maybe it's my fault. Maybe I should stop talking about surfing or scoring good deals on FreeCycle & Goodwill. Maybe I should start kvetching about Roth IRA conversions or the high commissions for selling call options.
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