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Old 11-06-2015, 07:46 PM   #41
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:02 PM   #42
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I feel a bit guilty as I called HR and they said your eligible for 25 weeks s/t disability...
I have had S/T disability twice. Once for a umbilical hernia and once for surgery on my leg. Both times, I felt good enough the next day to come back, but I took nearly the full two weeks for either incident.

Do not feel bad. The CEO doesn't feel bad when they take a $10M bonus (and a 100% raise) and get the employees a 2% raise. Or the CEO uses the company profits to boost the stock price with a buyback, when they know that they are one of the major stock holders, and have a bunch of stock options.

If you did not get paid, you would likely leave. So if you are getting paid to be gone with S/T disability, take advantage of it.
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I hated to retire but really don't like wearing shoes.
That's how I am with pants.

If it's not freezing outside, I'd just as soon be wearing shorts.
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That's how I am with pants.

If it's not freezing outside, I'd just as soon be wearing shorts.
+1 for both! Too bad there aren't many functions where I can go unshod and in my kilt.

Renaissance Fairs and beach weddings and camping, that's about it.
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Old 11-07-2015, 01:47 AM   #45
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It isn't that it isn't fun anymore, I know exactly what it is.
It is those freezing cold dark December to March mornings that I linger longer in the hot shower but I can't get that heat into my bones. It is smell of the hot gas stoves as I walk down the stairs into the heat searching out that first cup of hot coffee. All the while the down quilt, a dark bedroom and a warm bed call me back. It is how time evaporates when I sit next to the stove and reading the paper with a the dog at my feet- She too at ten seeks out the heat. All too soon It is time to start start the car that almost feels angry- the icy windows fight the reluctant defroster. It seems an eternity before I can get the car rolling. No coat can can win against the cold that is more mental then physical. It is the cold windy dimly lit cement parking garage in the crime ridden city. It is the line of people at soup kitchen next door. Seeing them I feel just a little bit colder. I can't help but wonder how did they get there and why am I so blessed?

I'm out the door fully an hour later then a few years ago- the truth is It is well past a time for a new adventure -someplace warm.


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You write really well! I felt I was there looking over your shoulder as you started your day...
+ I agree about your writing or at least visualization skills. You had me thinking I was into my first page or two of a new book.

You've also kinda made me think I need to get back to my writing passion, which I thought I'd pursue after ER, but just haven't done it yet. No good excuses but travel and laziness.
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I have had S/T disability twice. Once for a umbilical hernia and once for surgery on my leg. Both times, I felt good enough the next day to come back, but I took nearly the full two weeks for either incident.



Do not feel bad. The CEO doesn't feel bad when they take a $10M bonus (and a 100% raise) and get the employees a 2% raise. Or the CEO uses the company profits to boost the stock price with a buyback, when they know that they are one of the major stock holders, and have a bunch of stock options.



If you did not get paid, you would likely leave. So if you are getting paid to be gone with S/T disability, take advantage of it.

I agree with your thinking fully but there is a problem. This simple old dog is set in his ways. Our hard work paid for the house, the cars and will fund our retirement. That which some would call a cliche the 'American Dream' worked for us - we worked hard and live a good life as a result. I'd rather not change my work mantra at the very end. I've worked for them for 32 years and have missed only a handful of days...it is just hard to turn off the discipline.

Just because the Robber Baron in charge of the company treats his employees as commodities doesn't mean I should change the person I am.


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Old 11-07-2015, 09:05 AM   #47
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This is a very interesting thread with several well-written posts.

I don't have much to add except that while reading through it I was reminded of a line from one of my favorite TV series while in college, Moonlighting.

It was a Christmas-oriented episode and the line was from Bruce Willis' character, David Addison, speaking to Cybill Shepherd's Maddie Hayes: "A good job doesn't love you back".
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My target date is July and I have not said a word; i will be 62. I am scheduled for TKR surgery later in the month and I heard the boss say Ray will be out until the new year "hopefully he comes back". She is a nice person.



I feel a bit guilty as I called HR and they said your eligible for 25 weeks s/t disability... It is kinda sad after 32 years I don't feel in any rush to come back to work. Gone are the days when I'd would have used a walker to get to my desk....why you say?



I remember it like it was yesterday I was in my thirties - Bob my colleague 53 was a competent guy with 35 years with the company. The firm had a early retirement package/promised RIF (reduction in force) Bob was told if you don't take a package you may not have a job.. He lost about 22% (as I remember) of his pension because he wasn't old enough even with the buyout. At his retirement dinner his wife told me he only missed 1 day in all those years ... Bob had been an accident and hurt his leg - "he just couldn't lift his leg high enough to get on the bus."



My buddy Kenny was also let go a few years ago 37 years on the job. His Tears welled up as he walked out. I felt terrible about it too. Then just A couple days a ago a colleague with 41 years was also shown the door. The firm is highly profitable ...Words fail me.



Like it or not each paycheck starts the relationship anew. I owe them nothing and they owe me nothing... In doing so They've lost something but they simply don't care. I'm glad I'll be out of the game.



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Good post - Sadly this is happening every day the only difference are companies names. I saw this happen to my Uncle when I just started out
and I had pride in my work but I never came close to being "a company man".
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Athena...I have no idea if they look at the number of dependents or not. I only know that this is happening-at least it was a few years ago. A senior manager I know had downsized his large group numerous times. Always the same...go down by X number of headcount. Last time I spoke with him he was told to downsize again, but he was given a number specific individuals to include in the downsize. He was puzzled but a contact he had in the HR consultancy business gave him a heads up as to how this probably occurred and why.
This is not first hand so I cannot comment on the accuracy.

It could become a mute point. An HR friend told me that several large megacorps are going in the direction of placing a cap on the total lifetime health coverage for an employee or employee dependent. Very concerning for some folks.


I do not live/work in the US so I do not know the laws. I do know that the megacorp I worked for once asked us to collect certain information on our employee population. This was in violation of our laws.....some in megacorp HQ could not understand this. Needless to say the data was not collected. They then tried a voluntary method but that was of course a complete flop.
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Old 11-07-2015, 11:03 AM   #50
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In my old company "I'm giving you a one months' notice" was met with: " One month? I think one hour should be all you need to clean out your desk".



Our approach/thinking was having "dead men walking" created problems and often made martyrs out of those leaving. Better to just go when the time is right.

Man, I feel lucky that wasn't my experience! Shoot, I gave 9 months notice when I hung it up, because I wanted to give them plenty of time to find and train my replacement. They found and (I) trained my replacement less than a month before I left, proving just how indispensable I was! 😆
But I also witnessed others experiencing the dark side of corporate consolidation, being taken completely by surprise when discovering that getting called into the boss's office was followed by being escorted out of the office - and building - by security. I cannot imagine how that feels.
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Great posts and discussion. I also agree that there is no such thing as company loyalty anymore. The statement that every two weeks they even the balance is so true. It is just a numbers game, nothing more, and every two weeks the game starts over.

I may have slightly rose colored glasses, but I think that some companies still do value their employees, unfortunately these are few and far between. Anymore the megacorps are so scared of lawsuits and showing any type of consideration for an employee that they have become a distant non-caring mgmt. Smaller companies seem to treat employees better, although soon as a buyout or takeover happens, the small employees are left out in the cold.

OP Ray, do not feel bad about taking all of the sick time you are needing. It is a benefit and you should take advantage of it, you certainly have valid reason.
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An HR friend told me that several large megacorps are going in the direction of placing a cap on the total lifetime health coverage for an employee or employee dependent.

The ACA prohibits that in the US-also a welcome change, IMO. Any of us could develop something that could put us over the max and we should all share that risk.
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But I also witnessed others experiencing the dark side of corporate consolidation, being taken completely by surprise when discovering that getting called into the boss's office was followed by being escorted out of the office - and building - by security. I cannot imagine how that feels.
Sometimes they get escorted out because they stole a hundred million of the company's money (DW's neighbor at work). Apparently that's frowned upon, and that's why they have minimum security federal prisons.
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...........But I also witnessed others experiencing the dark side of corporate consolidation, being taken completely by surprise when discovering that getting called into the boss's office was followed by being escorted out of the office - and building - by security. I cannot imagine how that feels.
This happened at MegaMotors in 2006. I saw employees with over 30 years of loyal service literately ambushed and taken out the door by security like common criminals.

My manager at the time was appointed to be the department hit man and had to do the unpleasant task of telling the employees that they were fired. His reward? Fired the next year in a similar manner.
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Got me to thinking about the first layoff I witnessed ... A very silly poem popped into my head - jeeze it is still there 30 years later...John Brown took an axe and gave his employees forty whacks, when the job was neatly done his boss made it 41.

Got my review yesterday "1" (top rated) - how a 61.5 year old technology guy does that defies all that baloney about oldsters and technology. I think it also has to do with that since I don't worry - (I can retire when I want ). I say and do what is on my mind and I am also am always smiling.

Surgery at 2 this afternoon - then shooting for a month off. First time out of the office more then 2 weeks since 1977 - 38 years.


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