Medical Insurance - Another Bigger Problem!!

Yeah unclemick; "sticky" is an understatement.
I may not have all of the answers, but there are so many obvious things my folks could do. To sit by and
wait is difficult. But, I don't see any good alternative.

John Galt
 
I am a frequent "lurker" and have gained valuable information from you guys. I am 54 and my BH is 57 -- looking to retire in next few years (didn't make the ER category). Any suggestions on good LTC carrier? THe AARP health ins link had better rates than I have found, so I am hoping for good feedback on LTC as well.

:)
 
Check rates for your state from State Farm. Their LTC offering beat the Met Life quote via AARP.
Still not sure LTC is cure-all the insurance industy is touting. But hey, they sell Whole Life all the time as an "investment" and get away with it.
Really important you read all the ways you can be "sold" features you do not need. My limited research seems to suggest that the providers will have no trouble raising your rates to be whatever they want--keep in mind the "no increase" in rate only limits them from singling out your policy--no limitation from raising everyone's rate without limit.
Hence supposed "benefit" of locking a rate while young becomes pretty meaningless in 15 yrs if you can not meet the premium they want then.
 
I know little or nothing about LTC insurance. We can't
afford it. My folks won't discuss it. I will say that we
have been very happy with our AARP medical insurance.
Before we signed on with AARP, I had a negative
instinct about the organization. Thought they were
run by a bunch of wimpy liberals. Anyway, all of my
involvement with AARP has been quite positive.
The overall politics may be at odds but I will admit
they seem to get the job done.

John Galt
 
I checked into several LTC policies and finally went to an independent agent. He was able to do better than I could shopping on my own. Furthermore, there are some wrinkles the average Joe may not be aware of. Example: My wife provided a best guess of her weight on the application (she's small and was thinking they're on the lookout for obesity, so didn't give it much thought). The agent called and told her it would be better if she were a couple of pounds heavier and suggested she weigh herself to be sure. Turns out she did weigh about 5 pounds more than she thought, so he changed the application. There were other grayer areas he walked us through. We came out of it with better coverage for less money than we would have without him. Choice of an agent is crucial, of course. This agent is an acquaintance of my family and is known to be scrupulously honest. (My Dad says he uses him because the agent is a strong Baptist and my Dad thinks he's probably afraid of going to hell. :D)

My limited research seems to suggest that the providers will have no trouble raising your rates to be whatever they want--keep in mind the "no increase" in rate only limits them from singling out your policy--no limitation from raising everyone's rate without limit. Hence supposed "benefit" of locking a rate while young becomes pretty meaningless in 15 yrs if you can not meet the premium they want then.

What nwsteve says is right on the mark. We paid off our policies in one lump sum which solves the problem of increases.
 
I have not really looked at lumpsum--do all providers offer?
Do you mind sharing which provider you used and how long of period you ended up with before payment started. Any particular "watch-outs" beyond getting AAA rating on agency if go Lumpsum
Thanks
NWsteve
 
Talk to your Canadian relatives Bob. And next time you come over, look me up in London. I'll give you directions. :D Some of your fellow posters dissed our system, but for Canadians, medical care is a non-issue.  Especially for ER's like me. Mrs. Zipper works for a cancer hospital and I will attest that the treatments are world-class. We finally have our Provinces and Federal Gov't hammering out a universal drug care programme with one agency buying for everyone. I can still see Hank McKimmell, from Pfizer condemning the Canadian system, when he himself is/was a Canadian. :'(The drug Co.'s have you by the balls down there.
 
Hmmm...the drug companies DO charge us more.

I *have* it...the drug companies are in cahoots with the candian invasion planning team... :mad: Their plan is to weaken us financially by siphoning pharma money from our pockets. Then...when we're weakest...WHAM!

;)
 
I have not really looked at lumpsum--do all providers offer? Do you mind sharing which provider you used and how long of period you ended up with before payment started.  Any particular "watch-outs" beyond getting AAA rating on agency if go Lumpsum
ThanksNWsteve
Nwsteve, I went with Allianz. At the time they were about to make some changes to the LTC plan then existing (increasing prices and reducing benefits), and I remember getting in under the wire  before they discontinued the plan I bought. I purchased a plan with a 90 day elimination period, 5% compound inflation rider (a must, IMHO), and unlimited days. We're covered both in-home and in-facility. I recall that it's important to pay attention to what it takes to trigger coverage (how many ADLs must be impaired AND who determines whether the impairment is present, organic cognitive impairment coverage, etc.).

I determined the amount of coverage based on costs at that time. I called a facility I knew to be good and asked what they charged for various levels (from double-room minimum care up to private room maximum care).

Here are a few questions I posed (among many others) and the agent's responses. I did it via email so I'd have a written record:

Q: What would happen if one of us went to a nursing home for 14 days and then home again. Would we be required to start all over again and pay for another 90 days - or would that individual have only 76 days left to pay in their lifetime?

A: The waiver of premium is once in a lifetime, and it can be satisfied by either under the home health care benefit or the Nursing Home care benefit. You only have to pay for 90 days in your lifetime.

Q: What would happen if one or both of us paid for 90 days of home care and then entered a nursing home later? Are we required to pay for 90 days of in home care and then pay another 90 days of nursing home care?

A: No. If you paid for 90 days of eligible home health care you would not have to pay for 90 days of eligible Nursing Home care.

Q: Is coverage offered in every state? In other words, if we move to some other state, will we get the same coverage in that state's nursing homes?

A: Yes! It does not matter where you go to the LTC facility, as long as the facility meets the definition of an eligible facility.

Q: One of our biggest concerns is that the insurance company will go bankrupt, especially since we're considering a single premium. We like the looks of Allianz - it is huge and the ratings are pretty solid. But Enron was huge and solvent too. What happens to LTC customers who are covered by a policy underwritten by an insurance company that folds? Does the state step in and pay benefits? Do other companies pick up the pieces? What assurances are in place that we won't be left holding the bag if that were to happen?

A: The State does have a guarantee fund that would guarantee benefits up to $300,000 if the insolvency occurred while under claim. If insolvency occurred while not under claim there would be no guarantee that you could have coverage with another company. Allianz, financially is one of the best options for writing LTC. They have a trillion in assets and they are very diversified. What the industry has seen from LTC carriers who have gotten in financial trouble is they have either sold off the block of business to another carrier or another carrier has assumed the block, but there is no guarantee of that always happening. There would be some risk no matter what company you go with, and that is why you want to pick a financially solid company.

Another thing - I made sure my kids know we have LTC insurance and where the policy is located. I have a long "letter of instruction" (many pages) listing everything our kids would need to know should one or both of us die or become incapacitated. I update that annually and the kids know where that letter is. They understand that it's the key to everything.
 
Talk to your Canadian relatives Bob. And next time you come over, look me up in London. I'll give you directions. :D
Hey Zipper, I do plan to get up to Lucan sometime in the next few years to see the original homestead. (My G/G/Great Grandfather immigrated from Ireland to a small town near Zipper's home. Were it not for his son deciding to snap up some free land in Iowa, I'd probably be a Canadian now. :D)
 
We are hoping to pull the trigger next year, and are wading through the morass of interim health insurance (57/54). Husb has Type 2 diabetes, well controlled, good stats, etc. I have had some thumb surgery for arthritis this year, so we are sweating how preexisting conditions will be handled. AARP site counsels to watch for short look back periods of 3 yrs. Anybody out there know of shorter look back that 3 yrs for previously treated conditions? I know we can go the assigned risk pool route but hope to do this as economically as possible. Anyone have any experience on just going the catastrophic high deductible route till 65 ? We're both active and in pretty good health otherwise. Thanks for any info.
NP
 
This website has a good explanation of HSA.  Click on the 'Feautured Product' on the left hand side.  It also provides quotes for HSA-qualified policies side by side with non-HSA policies.

http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/index.html

Based on my research you don't have to be employed to contribute to a HSA account.  My problem is still trying to work out the total saving/cost of a HSA policy (tax deducted on distributions) vs. a lower upfront cost and better terms of a non HSA policy.  Being ER means a much lower tax income rate so does this count for as much as someone who is either self employed or is employed by a company with partial or no health benefits.

I went to the link and clicked on one of the pages and Norton came on saying that it had blocked an intrusion attempt...
 
Hmm...mine doesnt. I'm using norton 2004 pro with all the options set to default.

I've used ehealthinsurance. Worked out ok. All any of them do is quote you the standard BC/BS rates (or whatever insurer you're perusing). You can get the same rates from any 'agent' whether on or offline. In fact you can apply directly with BC/BS. Just depends on how much 'service' you want or need in applying.
 
Hmmmm..... http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0920uninsured20.html

People who earn too much to qualify for federal aid but not enough to buy conventional health insurance often feel caught in a vise. But now help may be on the way.

Under HealthCare Connect, people can get a $50 specialist consultation, a $116 well-woman visit and hospital bills will be capped at $2,000 per stay - all for a $50 annual enrollment fee.

"It's like Costco for health care," said Tammy Stoltz, executive director of the new not-for-profit organization.

The program, created through a federal grant, is open to Maricopa County residents who make 100 to 250 percent of the federal poverty level. For a family of four, that range is $18,850 to $47,125.
 
Hi Larry! You are right, in fact we are packing the van
right now and plotting a course for Maricopa :)

John Galt
 
That is why we chose to retire in Canada and visit the USA for 6 months every year. Or travel the world.

SWR
 
This is why my husband and I will retire in Canada (even though hubby is American and talks about moving back one day, an idea I quickly shoot down :)). I'd rather be a "snowbird" where I have all the benefits of the Canadian healthcare system while living in a warmer climate 4 or 5 months of the year.
 
Hi Larry! You are right, in fact we are packing the van
right now and plotting a course for Maricopa :)

John Galt
I'll chill the beer. Go thru Phoenix and Tempe to Chandler, we're the ones in front of their house dancing around since the weather just got nice and will be that way until next June.
 
This maricopa county thing has me intrigued.

How is it that they took a $1.3 million dollar grant, negotiated a cost structure with the local doctors and hospitals, and offer virtually no cost healthcare to everyone in the county that qualifies?

How does this almost free approach elude the rest of the country? Does maricopa county exist in a parallel universe where doctors are reasonable about the costs of care and the bureaucrats are efficient? Are they putting opium into the water supply so nobody wants to go to the doctor?

Why cant this simply be rubber stamped for everybody in the US, nationwide:confused:
 
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