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haha · 05-30-2008, 05:35 PM

Gas Prices: $4 Gas Has Consumers at 'Tipping Point': AutoNation CEO - Automotive * US * News * Story - MSNBC.com

He also discusses electric vehicles.

Ha

Danny · 05-30-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by haha

Gas Prices: $4 Gas Has Consumers at 'Tipping Point': AutoNation CEO - Automotive * US * News * Story - MSNBC.com

He also discusses electric vehicles.

Ha

Yes, I agree..this is my primary reason - "America is now exporting $600 billion worth of capital a year to countries like Venezuela…That’s a genuine national security risk to be sending that kind of money into Venezuela....the Middle East,"

DallasGuy · 05-30-2008, 06:50 PM

He talks about electric cars as the game changer. Here's an article about a car called the Think City that will be available in the US within 2 years. It's an electric car that gets about 110 miles on a charge and is about the same size as a Smart car.

Norway's Think to Produce, Sell Small Electric Cars in U.S. - WSJ.com

Texas Proud · 05-30-2008, 07:05 PM

NOTE...

Even people in Norway know that it is tough to live here...

""But we think there's an opportunity for us also on the East Coast, or any city in the U.S. that wants to encourage use of pollution free electric cars. We don't care if it is in Texas, we will be there."

So... we will see if he stays in Texas... y'all are all aware of the problems here... and expensive electricity is just one of them... so what is the MPG equivalent? (lucky for spell check... I just could not remember how to spell that word!!)..

Johnphx · 05-30-2008, 10:22 PM

While I am all for the higher gas prices through additional taxation as a way to motivate innovation and decrease demand for fossil fuel at the same time I have to think that these higher prices would have secondary unintended consequences.

For example cities that aren't located on the east coast don't necessarily have good public transportation options. And without solid public transportation the people who live in the suburbs will find their costs increasing disproportionately more than those who already live in the city.

I would think that over time this would have a further deflationary effect on housing as a lot of the US is built on the automobile supported suburban model rather than on the public transportation supported inner city living model like European and east coast cities.

At the same time that suburban homes would be losing value the inner city condos and apartments would be increasing in value. So trying to sell your suburban home would be more difficult and you would find the city dwellings ever more expensive. I suppose it would force downsizing (decreasing additional sources of fossil fuel use such as electricity and gas) because one would not be able to afford nearly the same amount of living space as before.

I suppose that as retirees who aren't going to work on a daily basis this might not affect a great percentage of this boards audience, but for others...

Midpack · 05-31-2008, 06:52 AM

With all due respect to the above poster, that's the kind of thinking that has gotten us into the fix we're in. You don't offer an alternative, so I take it you think we should fight for lower fuel costs and maintain the status quo. Can't remember the saying verbatim but 'insanity is doing the same thing you've always done and expecting different results.' I'd beg you to read The Seven Myths of Energy Independence. I'm all for personal responsibility and I wouldn't have said this 20 years ago, but I've given up on Americans doing anything to conserve (anything) without a strong economic incentive to do so. It does not have to cost us more overall...

mathjak107 · 05-31-2008, 08:20 AM

the tax will just suck money out of other areas of the economy . most still need to drive to work, period. we dont work in the same towns we live in like europe. this aint europe where they have almost no personal income tax and fund everything thru gas taxes and vats. even at 10.00 bucks a gallon i bet they have more money in their pockets then we do because of tax structure

Midpack · 05-31-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mathjak107

the tax will just suck money out of other areas of the economy . most still need to drive to work, period. we dont work in the same towns we live in like europe. this aint europe where they have almost no personal income tax and fund everything thru gas taxes and vats. even at 10.00 bucks a gallon i bet they have more money in their pockets then we do because of tax structure

So your suggestion is?

mathjak107 · 05-31-2008, 09:08 AM

nuclear, more refinarys and stop sinking all this money in iraq without some kind of reimbursement with oil......

Texas Proud · 05-31-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mathjak107

the tax will just suck money out of other areas of the economy . most still need to drive to work, period. we dont work in the same towns we live in like europe. this aint europe where they have almost no personal income tax and fund everything thru gas taxes and vats. even at 10.00 bucks a gallon i bet they have more money in their pockets then we do because of tax structure

My bold...

SAY WHAT

? Sorry, but you need to read up on taxes in some other countries... I still have a big foreign tax credit that I can not use because I had to pay so much more in PERSONAL income taxes over there than here... my experience is the UK.... but I have heard it is the same for most other countries in the EU...

mathjak107 · 05-31-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Texas Proud

My bold...

SAY WHAT

? Sorry, but you need to read up on taxes in some other countries... I still have a big foreign tax credit that I can not use because I had to pay so much more in PERSONAL income taxes over there than here... my experience is the UK.... but I have heard it is the same for most other countries in the EU...

you are correct, i took a look and yep they do have pretty high tax rates but its soooo hard to compare. as an example denmark can run as high as 44% but they pay nothing for healthcare.......